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Gold does not oxidize unlike silver. (compromizes conductivity). Silver tarnishes after a while. So while silver is a the best conductor you'd have to use it in a vacuum for long term use. Not very practical
Man this has turned into some funky Hgame/Mythbusters/PCgeekery crossbreed of a thread NOTE: Some additional info was added to my previous post. I didn't hit refresh and didn't realise you had responded
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Well, btw, what do you use to ground yourself if you don't plug the PSU in? (following a video tutorial I've watched, it was to install PSU after putting the motherboard into the case, but I decided to reverse the order because of this whole static electricity thing)
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Basically step2. THis was how I was taught when I learnt to solder and build basic electronics.
http://www.crucial.com/install/dimm.aspx will probably be useful as you will be doing this very shortly Also I forgot to add the most PITA thing you'll need help with is connecting the jumpers for front audio and usb panels. Have a digital camera ready so we can help. You'll understand when you get to it.
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Yup. I touch anything coming into contact with electronics (hands, tools) for a second. That's all it takes to discharge yourself. The case itself is grounded (it'd be a pretty shit case if it wasn't ). That's basically how an antistatic wrap works you're always grounded, basically it completes a circuit (body->strap->ground). Instead of touching the case everytime, you're connected to the case by passing the need to constantly touch metal.
Again you have to remember conductivity. Basically some things are poor conductors of electricity, wood for example, by touching the metal of the case it has better conductivity (metal pwns wood and nearly everything else at this, water I think is the exception but do you want to be standing in a bucket of water near electricity?) thereby more efficient at discharging.
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Anyway, I think I can handle this static electricity thing now. Thank you for the clarification. I'm going to bed... 3 hours of sleep, dang ;_; On another note, I'm glad that I didn't wait a long time to order. I just checked again today and the video card + motherboard I bought is already out of stock.
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If there's no ground source around you, simply reaching equilibrium with what you're working with is good enough. Remember, in order for static to occur, the difference in energy levels has to be sufficiently high enough. You're constantly transferring to and form objects that you touch - that doesn't harm components. It's that sudden burst of a lot of energy (static, lightning, and so on) that will harm the component. The only danger would be if you or the object you're working with are actively changing energy levels. For example, if someone is vigorously rubbing your clothes against you then they are raising your energy level. If they rub hard and long enough then they'd raise your level enough that a discharge may occur (again, thank you Zero_Shinohara for making that statement sound very wrong in this thread). What it all comes down to is that you want to be at equilibrium with what you're working with. A laptop case, even if not plugged in, can act as a small ground source. Grounding yourself is the ultimate safety precaution, but being fully grounded is absolutely necessary only in high-static environments. As I've mentioned before, you should know from your own experiences what those static-like conditions are. In my experiences, it tends to be in warm, dry areas, such as my long-thread-carpeted house with the heat on in the winter. Quote:
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PS: looks like there's a chance of snowing in my area. I'm happy that there's a potential snow school day, but I just hope it won't hinder my delivery. @hobbes fan: that's a pretty interesting case, although rather expensive... Also, what's PITA? In this context: "Also I forgot to add the most PITA thing you'll need help with is connecting the jumpers for front audio and usb panels. Have a digital camera ready so we can help. You'll understand when you get to it."
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Also I forgot to add the most Pacific Islands Telecommunications Association thing you'll need help with is connecting the jumpers for front audio and usb panels. Have a digital camera ready so we can help. You'll understand when you get to it. Also I forgot to add the most Palestinian Information Technology Association thing you'll need help with is connecting the jumpers for front audio and usb panels. Have a digital camera ready so we can help. You'll understand when you get to it. Also I forgot to add the most Pacific International Trapshooting Association thing you'll need help with is connecting the jumpers for front audio and usb panels. Have a digital camera ready so we can help. You'll understand when you get to it. Also I forgot to add the most Prevention of Immoral Trafficking Act (India) thing you'll need help with is connecting the jumpers for front audio and usb panels. Have a digital camera ready so we can help. You'll understand when you get to it. Also I forgot to add the most People for the Intelligent Treatment of Animals thing you'll need help with is connecting the jumpers for front audio and usb panels. Have a digital camera ready so we can help. You'll understand when you get to it. Also I forgot to add the most Pipeline Integrity Technology Associates thing you'll need help with is connecting the jumpers for front audio and usb panels. Have a digital camera ready so we can help. You'll understand when you get to it. It's HARD to choose D:!!! I choose the second before last just because it has "intelligent" in it. Hmmm, it's interesting how technology has became so advanced to associate animals with it.
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Technically speaking, a ground is just something that can absorb excess charge. When you ground yourself, you are removing your excess charge. It's important to note that, as I somewhat mentioned before, removal of excess charge is relative - you are removing excess charge relative to what you are touching. We consider the ground to be a theoretically infinite charge sink - that is, it can absorb infinite charge and will always ensure that you are either neutral and undercharged relative to everything else. I mentioned the example of working with my laptop to bring up another point. The laptop itself was not grounded, as it was not plugged in. I was nervous about working with it as I couldn't be 100% certain of what its charge level would then be. I also didn't know how well it would deal with excess charge. By touching the laptop's case, I brought myself to be at equilibrium with it. Technically in this situation, the laptop case would likely be acting as the ground, and you could say that I grounded myself. This is because here, the only two bodies involved were myself and the laptop. In truth, this applies to regular computers (or anything else) as well. If you touch the computer case, you're at equilibrium with the computer case. Recall that static only occurs if there is a great difference in charge between yourself and what you're working with. Even if you and the computer case are more highly charged than your surroundings, you can still safely work with the computer case (and any components that share its charge) because there is no significant difference in energy levels between you and the computer. Keeping the computer case itself grounded is a higher safety precaution, and removes a lot of technical issues that I didn't mention in the above examples. A laptop and a computer case can hold enough charge to act as a ground source, but you don't want them building up too much energy. Keeping them grounded, as well as yourself, when possible greatly reduces the risk of static reactions. Quote:
As I mentioned, I was nervous with the laptop because it wasn't plugged in and wasn't grounded. In my specific case, I was installing new RAM. Since I had nothing to truly ground myself with, I was worried that I might discharge onto the RAM right after removing it from the plastic. By touching the laptop, I brought myself to be at equilibrium with the laptop. I knew that I wouldn't discharge onto it. However, since the laptop wasn't grounded, I couldn't have been fully sure that the laptop and I weren't at a higher energy level than the RAM - if we were at a high enough level, either one of us could have discharged onto the RAM. That would have damaged the RAM. With regard to your mentioning of the motherboard, note that everything in the laptop was at equilibrium with me. I touched the metallic case, which instantly equilibrated with me. The case is connected to screws that hold the various components, including the motherboard - the charge would spread among them, as well. The components are also wired to each other - the charge would spread through the wires. Quote:
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Hmmm, so how did you deal with the part about how your laptop and your charges may be higher than that RAM?
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Haha, I've been trying to reply to this topic for almost four hours, but I just didn't have the chance until now.
Basically I spent the entire day yesterday preparing to write a program that should've been very simple to complete. Seriously, how hard could Linked Lists be? I would finish it and still have time to play AG! But nooooooo, it had to do with pointers. I HATE pointers with all my passion, I seriously do. Oh, and besides the fact the Code my professor gave us to use as reference was completely wrong. So I spent some good, long hours getting the basics before actually starting the assignment. I managed to finish it in time, though I had to stay up until 7AM... Oh, and did I tell you guys I HATE pointers? <_< Anyway... going back on-topic. Quote:
Kona-chan seal of Approval is mine! And to tell you the truth, I have much more than I need when it comes to Eroges. I mean, sure I play a couple of them here and there, but for the most part, I have no choice but skip on them. That goes for both casual games and story-driven games, mostly because I have no "safe" way of playing these, given that I have two 10/11 year old brothers and a grandmother that are home 24/7. It's unfortunate, but I have no free time to be playing anything 14+. And after everyone goes to sleep I usually do more constructive things such as using the free and quiet time to draw, write and read. That's basically why I tend to go the 3D way more, because it's basically get in, have your fun and get out - no need to go through lengthy storylines and choice arcs. Frankly I think the last eroges I have more than three hours of play are Let's Meow Meow ( as an advocate of Nekomimi, I couldn't lose this, could I? ) and Pick Me Honey. Fun games, but I just don't think they would compare to the deeper ones, such as Clannad, Kanon and other visual novels that are much more about their plots than anything else. I do, however, think I'll be playing Yumemiru Kusuri sometime soon, given a friend of mine has the English version ( Funny enough, we actually became friends after we had a lengthy discussion about Eroges... Oh lord, where are we heading off to?) and I'm interested in getting it from him. All in all, there's some 40 gigs of eroges in my Game folder, 80% just sitting there and waiting to be played. AND, after this lengthy and very unnecessary discussion about my otaku hobbies, let's go back to talking about hardware. Quote:
@tiachopvutru: Cute Shana sig is cute. Oh, and if you're really that concerned about static discharge, perhaps you could consider one of these: Except exchange the duct tape for electrical, non-conductive stuff and crank it up with your PC building. Shouldn't be that expensive Note.: Yes, I'm mentally unstable at the moment. I hate pointers.
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Haha -----------------> Zero Shinohara
[point(er) at] Anyway, I got my delivery today. They left them at the front door. The PSU is still being transited to VA. Sadly, because no one was (read: household wasn't) home when the delivery arrived, they didn't leave the monitor and will later make the 2nd attempt. I notice that the thermal paste is missing, too. Wonder if it's packaged with the monitor. PS: Meh, no snow day today. I stayed up until sooo late, too. There's no early release either. Hopefully the low temperature tonight will ice the street (which currently is wet), and snow day tomorrow. @WanderingKnight: I definitely agree. Most efforts thanks to Zero Shinohara, hobbes_fan, and Ledgem EDIT: Strange... the Hard drive and the Thermal Paste that should have been in the package aren't there... EDIT2: Nvm, they wrapped those with the RAM and I wasn't able to see it <.<
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And yep, do look hard for the small parts in the packaging. Newegg rarely sends stuff like HDs and Ram Sticks in fancy packaging as to reduce shipping costs and what-not, so they tend to stick close parts together in the funniest places. My grandma usually has ther TV turned on very high, and since she's the one who's always at home at the time my packages arrive, I like to leave a little note on the door that asks the delivery guy to knock hard on the door or her window, if he could. They usually don't have a problem with doing that, although I'd rather have them take my stuff back and deliver it later than just simply leave it at the door. I know the chances of getting robbed aren't high around here, but coming from a place where you can't even walk alone after 6:00 PM without fearing for your life, I tend to be extra careful And by the way, don't throw away those packing peanuts, the bubble wrap or the boxes they came in just yet. If you need to RMA anything, you don't need to buy'em again.
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PS: Anyway, things actually look a bit more confusing up close. For example, for the backplate that comes with the motherboard... which way do I put it in? I'm seeing two ways to fix it into the space at the back of the case. And in this picture. Do I install the 2 memory sticks on the yellow and red next to the CPU slot. Or do I install it on the two yellow holders?
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ram slots wok in pairs usually, sometimes not (remember when I spoke about dual channel RAM and the slightly better performance it offers?) You will need to read your mother board manual (see ram installation section of manual) if you need to use paired colour slots (red+red or yellow+yellow) or not (red+yellow).
But it's always best to start with the 1st slot and just use the appropriate slot for the next one to get dual channel performance.
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Apparently, each two that's close to each other is a channel. The closest RAM slot to the CPU is DDRII1, and in chronological order, DDRII2, DDRII3, DDRII4 to each RAM slot after that. (so yellows are DDRII1 and DDRII3, and red are 2 and 4)
There's a table on the page but I don't really understand what that means: >>Dual Channel Memory Configurations Table Code:
| | DDRII1| DDRII2 | DDRII3 | DDRII4| |Two Modules | DS/SS | -- | DS/SS | -- | | | -- | DS/SS | -- | DS/SS | |Four Modules| DS/SS | DS/SS | DS/SS | DS/SS | (SS=Single-Sided, DS=Double-Sided, "--"=No Memory) PS: That was a pain creating that table..
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The backplate as in, the hardly sturdy aluminum plate that comes with the Mobo and attaches to the back of the case? If so then you'll have to see which way it's pointing. Just try it out up close, because I doubt you'll miss it if you do. If you want to know which way you attach it to the case, then it is likely that it's from the outside of the case inwards, instead of being the opposite. I could be wrong, though, since it's been some time since I last took mine out.
And it dual-channel usually does work with ram slots of different colors. I don't know why the two slots aren't placed close together, but for some reason most motherboards I've seen have the pairs separated. No big deal though. Also, when you actually get your hands on the working machine, remove one stick and run Memtest86. If you have no errors, pluck it out, insert the other stick and do it again. It'll ensure that you know if your sticks have any errors in them. Ram is pretty picky sometimes, and you could end up having a lot of crazy behavior that is just hard to figure out the reason behind. Fight-o! Keep working on it
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