2006-11-02, 23:44 | Link #81 | |
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As for the "damned if he did and damned if he didn't" comment, that was mine. However, that was directly aimed at the whole Ray Penbar situation. Basically, Light convinced himself that the longer he was under scrutiny, the larger the chance that he may somehow be connected to Kira somehow. Thus, he chose to act and take Ray out. If he didn't act, he could have been watched for months, years, or maybe even for however long the Kira case remained unsolved. If he did act, the fact that he took out Ray, who was watching him, may cause him to come under suspicion even more. Hence the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" line. |
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2006-11-03, 06:38 | Link #82 |
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If i remember correctly, the writer of death note was asked about this question in the volume 13 of the manga, "do you consider L good as the good guys, and light evil?" the answer he gives is "no, both of them should be consider evil since they used all the power in their hand for the personal goal, in the case of light, he want to use the death note to create a utopian society, where he is the god. In the case of L, he used all the method he have (including illegal ones) to catch kira, not because what he is doing is against the law, but because he want to prove he is smarter and better than light." and in the end he says "The only character who can be consider to be the good guys, is light's father."
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2006-11-03, 06:47 | Link #83 |
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Regardless of his intentions or motives, Light is a murderer. No ifs and buts. I might feel different if Light would actually consider his actions a burden, but he seems to rejoice in the fact. Power mad, I say. Next thing you know he'll be killing people that are bumping into him by accident, or for other petty reasons.
As for L, he's using all possible resources to try and catch a murderer. Can't really see the problem with that. |
2006-11-03, 10:51 | Link #85 | |
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When people say killing is wrong regardless of intention, and that that is murder no matter what. How about euthanasia? Someone who lives in pain and wants to die but cannot...A person sees this and wants to end that person's misery. Is that person committing murder? That person's intent was to help relieve that person of pain and let that person die..leaving that person live on in pain can arguably also be seen as cruel....
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About how Ray and the other agents were killed. The main reason was to get closer to L. There are countless other FBI agents, the police out there, and he has not killed a single one. The agents who were after Kira were dragged into the battle by L and they got caught in the cross fire. Kira hasn't changed his goal at all, but L left Kira no choice but to retaliate after L *openly* declared war on Kira. With L around, Kira can't really continue his plan for his better world...Kira needs to get rid of L first, once L is gone, then Kira can continue killing only criminals. L is that much of a threat to Kira, which shows how good L is. Last edited by Neux; 2006-11-03 at 11:26. |
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2006-11-03, 11:14 | Link #86 |
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So u guys are saying Light is a murderer because u dont like the Death penalty he gave for criminals? Then all executers in the world are murderers... Like I mention before, this is the penalty problems. All police put human being in jail, treating them like an animals in Zoo. What are they lol?
PLEASE dont come up with the "right" problem again -_-. all human are the same. |
2006-11-03, 12:25 | Link #87 | |
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2006-11-03, 12:40 | Link #88 |
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Really sounds to me like some people are just making excuses. Light isn't performing euthanasia, he's executing people without due process, regardless if they deserve it or not. It's even worse in the case of the FBI agents he had executed, which probably wasn't even necessary to avoid getting caught at that point. As for comparing it to L's actions, that's totally ridicilous. Surveillance and execution aren't even in the same ballpark. But I suppose it's pointless to argue with Light fans.
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2006-11-03, 12:43 | Link #89 |
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Before I considered the argument of whether what Light was doing good or bad deeds a hard one to consider. These criminals are the dregs of society and it could be argued either way. However, now that he is killing innocent people, REGARDLESS of whether they are after him or not, it is wrong. I don't care if an FBI agent had caught him and was hauling him. Killing that agent is a murder. These people were innocents doing their jobs, not some criminals deserving death.
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2006-11-03, 12:55 | Link #90 | |
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For musouka, I think u are conservative . Yea sometimes new ideas are hard to accept. Look back to the history, there are such a thing call revolution. However I think u perfer mojority judge minority.
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And like I said before, Yagami is kind different from dictator, he is not going to force people to accpet his idea, he want people slowly accept the ideal world, and he understand ppl have 2 faces...... omg plz read earlier posts... and for Trax, I m not light's fan, just pointing no wrong and right. Orchunter226, please read earlier posts lol. |
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2006-11-03, 13:07 | Link #91 |
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Just thought of a nice analogy... Let's say a neighborhood is plagued by a gang, causing trouble and committing various crimes including violent ones. For some reason (possibly revenge) a vigilante has had enough and goes after members of the gang one by one. While people in the neighborhood would know it was essentially murder, they obviously wouldn't disapprove and think "good riddance". The authorities would be trying to catch the vigilante however, with the neighborhood people not very cooperative at that point. But if this vigilante would gun down some police officers in order not to get caught, people would definately not approve and might even be worried what would happen if they saw the vigilante in the act. At that point, eventhough they symphatize with the intention, they would probably prefer that the vigilante gets caught. At least, that's what I think.
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2006-11-03, 13:28 | Link #92 | |
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2006-11-03, 13:42 | Link #94 |
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lol how many times need to mention Raito knows people have 2 faces, and he also know that people need time to accept the idea. If even if they dont, he is not going to kill them. What u guys are saying is similar to what the 2nd kira was doing on sakura Tv and that is not what Raito wants, he could care less about those critics.
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2006-11-03, 13:52 | Link #95 |
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errr, Light failed the moment he said to want to RULE and become a GOD!
we all know its wrong to kill people, however i would kill child molesters if i got the chance. but thats not what Light is doing. he is killing innocents. Last edited by masakenji; 2006-11-03 at 15:45. |
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This is a revolution, like a war.
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2006-11-03, 15:14 | Link #98 |
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I think the different is here For some reason (possibly revenge) vigilante and Kira.
Also neighborhood safe vs. making the world safe, Neighborhood = a group of people. Just like Raito only protecting his own family (or some group of people) only to me. World = Everyone in the world. |
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Neux, nice points, but here are so many people are too plain to see deeply. They only see ok Raito kill FBi agent, he is innocent. Ok Light is evil he is wrong. LOL Last edited by ThisIsDream; 2006-11-03 at 16:05. |
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