2006-06-29, 10:41 | Link #81 |
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@M_Flores: concerning the SF vs IJ fight you described, you were saying that while IJ dodged the dragoons, it would send the backpack at the SF
however i dont see how one could manage that, it takes quite a lot of concentration to be able to evade dragoons and it is very difficult to attack while dodging so many beams from different directions. even kira could not do both at the same time aginst raw and rey, he had to wait for an opening while the dragoons were not in full blast. so i dont see how athrun, a pilot on the same level as kira, could manage to evade and send a remotely controled wepon to attack SF also the high maneuverability and speed of IJ comes from the additional thrusters on his backpack, without his backpack IJ would be a relatively slow ms comared to SF and would have a hard time dodging the dragoons (and not without at least minor damage) other than that (and it has already been said) IJ and SF's abilities are complementary and it would be difficult to predict the winner i'll have to quote Dr. J on that: "ultimately the one with the better pilot will win" |
2006-06-29, 13:18 | Link #82 |
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Strike Freedom vs. Infinite Justice, both with equal level pilots, would result in a draw. Infinite Justice would manage to break past the DRAGOONs and get into melee combat where it has an advantage, but then while it's bashing Strike Freedom up close, it'd get bashed by the DRAGOONs or up-close firing of the Strike Freedom and both suits will, eventually, get trashed. lol Hi-Nu Gundam vs. V2 Assault-Buster I'd have to say the V2 would eventually end up winning...I mean..it's smaller, mega beam cannon, mega beam rifle, 2 beam shields, mega beam shield, I-Field, 2 VSBRs, multi-launchers, vulcans, Wings of Light and anti-beam coating and, compared to the Hi-Nu, still probably faster...(it'd help if there was an actual number to go by for the 2). Wing Gundam Zero vs. Strike Freedom I'd have to say Wing Gundam Zero if it's being piloted by a Main Character of Gundam Wing...given the whole "invincible-when-piloted-by-main-or-important-character" factor in Gundam Wing. Any other answers for mine??? lol
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2006-06-29, 13:21 | Link #83 |
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However the dragoons will be shot down eventually - Kira managed this, Athrun can do it also if we asume hes in IJ and Kira is in SF ... Using Athrun as pilot would require for SF to use Kira or else the difference in pilot abilities would make Athrun a winner by default. Besides dont forget that to use DRAGOONS you need somewhat newtype abilities so Kira is actually the only one suitable from CE universe for this. ( Raww and Mwu might be also, but since i think its safe to say that Athrun > Raww / Mwu there is no point in using them )
This result is indeed hard to predict.... it would probably end with a draw - just like the Aegis vs Strike fight ( Altho i think Athrun won that one - Kira survived because of 2x plot device - Aegis running out of power 0.00001s before finishing shot could be made and after that survivng the explosion ) ... I really think they would just beat each others MS to a bloody pulp where noone of them is capable of attacking, then they both would cry a bit and shake hands in the end...... yes, i know its lame But if i would have to put my money on someone of these 2, my money would be on IJ/Athrun - Its much superior to SF in Melee, and Supremacy in range that SF has doesnt have much of a use against pilots like Athrun and co - face it, almost all the kills against named pilots are made in melee - because they simply dodge and block almost all the ranged attacks. (with few exceptions , for example when Rey goes ZOMG, my life is my own.... freezes in place and gets beemspammed ) Since in terms of skill Kira = Athrun and Kira could dodge Legends DRAGOONS it shouldnt be too hard for Ahrun to dodge SF DRAGOONS and eventually take them down and then engage in melee combat where he reigns supreme. But this could go either way due to the 1337 moves both of these pilots can pull off, but my money would be on IJ. Either that or they fight an even match where the first one to die from hunger loses
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2006-06-29, 18:08 | Link #85 | |
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as for SF vs W0 it realy is a tough one to juge as those 2 suits are almost identical the dragoons are totaly useles cause if they are deployed W0 will detach his tbr and swoop them all with his death swirl SF has 2 beam rifles / W0 has 2 buster rifles (which can be used as regular beam rifle since it has variable output (smal fast beam and gigantic destruction beam) SF has hip mounted rail gun / W0 has shoulder mounted vulcan (they are not realy the same but they are both equaly uneffective against the other and can be used the same way so i count them as equal) SF has chest cannon / W0 has tbr (which gives W0 the advantage) SF has beam sabers that can be combined / W0 has 2 beam sabers that cant combine (advantage to SF) SF has 2 beam shields that, from what we've seen cannot be used for offence / W0 has 1 matter shield with piledriver nose (that probably somone will find some yous for the piledriver option) SF has 8 dragoons / W0 can bust them all with the death swirl both suits have extreme speed and maneuverability (in their respective series they are both the second fastest) but as it is a comparaison of the suits only (no pilot involved) the tiebreaker is the ZERO system for the W0 |
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2006-06-29, 18:55 | Link #87 | |
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for the person being attacked, it is harder to predict from where the saber will hit when it has 2 blades, this is why athrun always used them combined it is only a small advantage but it is still worth being mentioned |
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2006-06-29, 19:35 | Link #88 | |
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2006-06-29, 22:49 | Link #90 | |
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watch episode 24 or 25 and you will see that it prety much covers an area of 360 degre in all directions. while it is true that this is not an absolute technique to whipe out all the dragoons all the time, it is a fast and effective way to eliminate 5-6 of the 8 dragoons (all the time) and maybe 7-8 if you get lucky or the other guy isnt kira. dont forget that the ZERO system is constantly calculating the positions of the dragoons and estimating the direction of the beem so it is a lot easier to dodge them |
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2006-06-29, 22:50 | Link #91 | |
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As for W0 Vs SF, things to consider: *The Zero System may really make a difference, more to the extent that it might predict where the dragoons might come from. *Gundam Wing's incredibly cheap and BS armor. Let's not forget this. In SEED, a simple beam blast can take off an arm or leg in one shot. We've seen Wing 0 be bombared with everything and leave without a scratch. So there will be weapons of SF that might appear useless against Wing 0. It's hard to tell from the different universes. *With PS armor on, Wing 0's machine cannons and piledriver nose are immediately useless. (well the piledriver can still be used to hit, but oh well) *Combining beam sabers may/may not give an advantage in combat - its basically a change in fighting style. Although there is an extra blade on the other tip of the saber, it also kinda limits the movement of different angles one could do with a single saber. So it might also be a disadvantage. But as for this fight, it'd most likely be an advantage. (We've seen how quickly Freedom got rid of Providence's arms by a simple movement of the dual saber). *As for raw mecha strength, SF easily overpowers Wing 0 in the case of a saberlock, arm wrestle, etc. since it clearly has a higher power output and is also heavier. How Wing 0 would win - like everyone said, beam sabers, really. I'm betting most likely that the TBR would always be dodged or blocked by the beam shields of SF. It could do that death swirl thing with the TBR to laugh at the dragoons like fly spray. The Zero System is also a factor in this fight - surely the pilot won't be affected by Kira's sweet talk. It could probably be used to predict SF's movements and work out a battle strategy and if that fails, it will work out another, after another, after another until it leads to victory. If Wing 0 somehow manages to go point blank with the TBR against SF, its not gonna be a pretty day for SEED fans. How SF would win - Take the TBR away, Wing 0's primary weapon is the first step. If Wing 0 does its beam spamming thing, the dragoons should be manuevarable enough to dodge. A few of them will probably be lost in the process, but a few pot shots at the TBR or Wing's hand may do. However, knowing the Wing 0, it will tuck the TBR on it's left hand where the shield is placed as we've seen Heero do many times which will cause even more problems to get rid of the rifle. Weapons such as the chest cannon and combo rifles could be used to annoy Wing 0. It's armor may be strong, but eventually, just like in Endless Waltz, Wing 0 was weakened by simple gatling gun and missle fire. So beam weapons of SF will eventually bring some light. Once the TBR is taken away, SF could either go sabering with it, or just fool around with it until Wing 0 runs out of ammo, and beam saber runs out of power like it did in the last episode. All the SF has to do is keep away because Wing 0 is now about to self detonate. |
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Wings of Light is HUGE compared to Destiny's butterfly wings. I'm talking about kilometre-huge. And it can actually damage stuff, so V2 has got this. How about F91 Vs Destiny? |
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2006-06-30, 11:54 | Link #94 | |
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F-91 hands down. Bio-computer, VSBR, plus the "God Mode" after image move would own Destiny in 3 seconds. |
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2006-07-01, 03:00 | Link #96 | |
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You allowed them too much freedom. ^^:
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- 2 x beam gatling - 2 x gatling gun - 13 x missile - 7 x beam cannon - 1 x 2-barrel beam cannon - 1 x beam knife - 1 x heat axe Heavyarms Kai: - 2 x vulcan gun - 2 x machine cannon - 4 x Gatling gun - 4 x 9-tube homing missile launcher - 2 x 22-tube micromissile launcher system - 2 x 4-tube micromissile launcher - 2 x double gatling gun *a total of 88 missles... While the weapon list for each suit is impressive they aren't exactly equal. The Leopard Destroy caries a large number of beam type weapons which, when compared to the more traditional impact types of the Heavyarms Kai, would seem to give it an obvious advantage. In response to this the Heavyamrs Kai features more than triple the number of weapons of the Leopard Destroy, overcoming the handicap of lacking beam type weapons with all round target pounding power. With both mobile suits being similar in both weight and height, there is no real advantage in this area for either mobile suit so I'll be moving on. The only real deciding area to compare these two mobile suits in is in terms of mobility (oddly, it seems to come down to this quite often); while both suit possess massive firepower neither is going to remain perfectly stationary and just take a beating from the other. In both the mobile suit's respective eras they are shown to be quite mobile, however, there is a large difference between the two in temrs of mobility. The Leopard Destroy is shown being able to run and fire at the same time while the Heavyarms Kai (remember, by canon it is the same MS used in the TV series) was shown being able to stand its ground in a battle with the highly mobileTallgeese - running, jumping and boosting about while firing - leading one to state that it is much more mobile than the Leopard Destroy. In terms, the Heavyarms takes the point for this one. Like most designs from Wing, I absolutely love them. Unfortunately, while the Leopard Destroy is a great functional design, it has always looked large and boxy to me. Verdict: It would certainly be an entertaining battle and should it take place in a city, I'm sure not much of it would be left standing. I would have to say, I see this match going to the Heavyarms Kai over the Leopard Destroy. Although the Leopard Destroy has better weapons in general the far greater mobility of the Heaveryams Kai would make it an exceedingly difficult target to hit compared to the Leopard Destroy. |
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You don't even need to use the tv series to see Heavyarm's agility, just look at that Heavyarm's jump in Endless Waltz... However, he never fired during maneuvers like that one. |
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2006-07-01, 08:56 | Link #100 |
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Good idea with focusing on just one vs match-up, Mr_Paper.
The Gundanium armor will make sure the Heavyarms can withstand a few hits from the the Leopard's shell gatlings and missiles. Also, I've heard from somewhere the Heavyarms' bullets are Gundanium-tipped, so the I'd say that Heavyarms shell gatlings are nearly as powerful as the Leopard's. I'd like to mention that Trowa's extremely accurate with those gatling cannons, which we all know have horrible recoil. iirc, he actually went around headshotting all those Serpents! If they both run out of bullets, the advantage is with the Leopard simply because the Heavyarms lack melee weapons. So overall, I'm also going with the Heavyarms. |
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