Speculation for identities of Servants and their Masters

[Radiosity]

Originally Posted by Xellos

But Odin isn't a berserker, he traded his eye for wisdom.

In actual fact, the Old Norse Odhinn, before he was known as Odin, was closely tied to Berserkers (or rather, berserkers were closely tied to him). Some interesting info:

http://www.angelfire.com/realm/shade.../berserker.htm

"As god of war, Odin held court in Valhalla, where all brave warriors went after death in battle. His greatest treasures were his eight-footed steed, Sleipnir, his spear, Gungnir, and his ring, Draupner."

Oh, and he sacrificed an eye for the privilege of drinking from Mimir, the fountain of wisdom, just to expand on that a little

Anyway, my guess would certainly be somewhere in Norse mythology and heroes as far as berserker is concerned. The Norse are pretty much #1 when it comes to berserk furies.

[Cogwheim]

Alright, check it out. Here are my suppositions as to the identities of the remaining Servant classes:

Saber
People keep going with King Arthur since they speculate that King Arthur could've been a female, and that she was simply recorded in history as being a male due to the sexist zeitgeist of the Medieval Times. Also, her sword, which is kept invisible during battle, looks quite extravagant--much like Excalibur might appear. I don't buy it, though; I speculate that she's either Joan of Arc (who also carried a mystical sword) or some female-warrior character whom the writers created for the purposes of Fate/stay night. Also, perhaps the most famous valkyrie of Norse mythology and shieldmaiden http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunhilde

Archer
William Tell didn't wield dual short swords...maybe he's Paris, son of Priam, the King of Troy, who appears in The Illiad. Granted, he wasn't supposed to be a highly skilled warrior, yet he fatally wounded Achilles with an arrow, didn't he? You know, with the help of the Greek God Apollo, who was also quite skilled with a bow...not that I think that any of the servants can be Greek Gods, though. In any case, it's still probably William Tell as far as I can guess.

Berserker
Well, Odin would be a good fit, even though he's a little far-fetched for the role of being anyone's servant. He wasn't a slouch when it came to fighting, and he did indeed lose an eye in exchange for a surfeit of wisdom...however, he didn't posess many berserker-like qualities when he fought, and he generally took the appearence of a humble old man rather than a warrior. Berserker's skin is chared, and Hercules was burned before he died--not to mention that Hercules was a huge, menacing guy. Tractable, as well, which gives such a montrous person the capacity to become a Servant. Another possiblity could be Goliath, from the uh, Bible. Goliath, the beastly giant who is, ultimately, tamed by the little Hebrew Prince David. Reminds me of the relationship between Berserker and Ilya. I think it's a toss-up bewteen Hercules and Goliath.

Rider
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippolyta The Queen of the Amazons, Hippolyte, whose name literally means "she lets her horses loose." She rides onto battle upon a horse, she's the queen of the notoriously sexy Amazon warriors, etc, etc...she seems like a good match.

Caster
I'm liking the idea of Medea for Caster, but...Merlin were he interpreted to be a chick would be far more suitable.

Assassin
Beats me...probably one of the four Hitokiri of the Meiji Revolution or something.

[Caster]

This is what I think...^^

Saber = King Arthur, Theseus or Achilles.
Archer = Robin Hood, Paris or Ârash-e Kamângir.
Berserker = Hercules, Samson or Goliath.
Rider = Luna or Alexander the Great
Caster = Merlin, Medea or Hecate.
Assassin = Musashi Miyamoto or Prince Yamato.

[LilleNisse]

Originally Posted by Radiosity

Anyway, my guess would certainly be somewhere in Norse mythology and heroes as far as berserker is concerned. The Norse are pretty much #1 when it comes to berserk furies.

Thats what I belive. Known to be the berserkers we the norse were
Yeah, I live in sweden. And I dont know If I shod be proud or not over that I can say that if the berserker comes from somwhere, it shod be from the norse mythology!

And oden was a god who loved fighting (mention one of the norse gods who didnt, on the male side ).
The one eye fits aswell, doe I think im gona look into it later and see wich side he stil had the eye on to be sure.
And hes body figure.. And the norse gods were seen as warriors who battled the giants to protect midgard. I belive he needed one hell of a muscular body. I think its about a perfect match

[stormy001_M1A2]

female version of achilles. Interesting idea.......

[Paracelsus]

http://altreligion.about.com/library.../bldefodin.htm

So Odin has really something to do with Berserkers in general...I doubt that he corresponds to the one in F/sn though >.>

[lana3007]

Originally Posted by Cogwheim

Archer
William Tell didn't wield dual short swords...maybe he's Paris, son of Priam, the King of Troy, who appears in The Illiad. Granted, he wasn't supposed to be a highly skilled warrior, yet he fatally wounded Achilles with an arrow, didn't he? You know, with the help of the Greek God Apollo, who was also quite skilled with a bow...not that I think that any of the servants can be Greek Gods, though. In any case, it's still probably William Tell as far as I can guess.

I was actually thinking of Paris for Archer too. He was suppose to be very attractive and good with the ladies, and Archer's smooth-talking conversations with Rin would certainly suggest that. And he does use swords in the Illiad most of the time, which would explain why he doesn't use a bow as often, even though he is supposed to be an Archer. But all of this is just my speculation.

[Paracelsus]

Prolly now i know who are both assassin and berserker...now i just need to know who the heck is archer, although.............no wait, now i know all of them...I'm outta here o_o

[outlawed]

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

Why are people putting their guesses into spoiler tags? I don't click on spoiler tags in this forum to avoid getting spoiled. If you use spoiler tags I will not read what you are guessing. Please use them properly.

I removed my spoiler tags.

Direct link to my post.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...3&postcount=61

[phaerax]

Goliath seems logical for berserker... didnt david shoot a rock on his head? that could have taken that eye out. Furthermore he is big, ugly and evil. Was he a berserker? Uhm... i havent read the old testament but... if a fighter is very evil and very dumb he usually fights like a crazy maniac i guess... :P

[ayyo]

Berserker's identity as revealed of Episode 4 is

Spoiler:

Greece's strongest, Heracles, or the more familiar name, Hercules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by ayyo

Berserker's identity as revealed of Episode 4 is

Spoiler:

Greece's strongest, Heracles, or the more familiar name, Hercules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles

Spoiler:

One problem i have with this is that hercukes was never a berserker other then that small incident regarding his wife and kids. From what I remeber he always plan out his battles carefully and was quite crafty in using tactics in his fights. He wasn't just brute strenght smashing and bashing his to the top. On a side note, Hercules was Persues great grandson, and both are Zeus's sons

[Village Idiot]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

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One problem i have with this is that hercukes was never a berserker other then that small incident regarding his wife and kids. From what I remeber he always plan out his battles carefully and was quite crafty in using tactics in his fights. He wasn't just brute strenght smashing and bashing his to the top. On a side note, Hercules was Persues great grandson, and both are Zeus's sons

Spoiler:

That's why Herculues can actually qualify for more than just the Berserker class

[ayyo]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Spoiler:

One problem i have with this is that hercukes was never a berserker other then that small incident regarding his wife and kids. From what I remeber he always plan out his battles carefully and was quite crafty in using tactics in his fights. He wasn't just brute strenght smashing and bashing his to the top. On a side note, Hercules was Persues great grandson, and both are Zeus's sons

Spoiler:

You're probably thinking of his modern Roman interpretation. He was pretty crazy when he gets enraged and its basically bash and smash.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Village Idiot

Spoiler:

That's why Herculues can actually qualify for more than just the Berserker class

But how does he actually qualify for the Berserker Class when he was never a berserker.


Ayyo

Spoiler:

The ver i remeber came form the Book, "Achellies and the Hero who live before him." Which had a large section devoted to Hercules and his twelve labors all of which he accomplish by intelligence and tactics rather then just brute strenght

[ayyo]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

But how does he actually qualify for the Berserker Class when he was never a berserker.


Ayyo

Spoiler:

The ver i remeber came form the Book, "Achellies and the Hero who live before him." Which had a large section devoted to Hercules and his twelve labors all of which he accomplish by intelligence and tactics rather then just brute strenght

Spoiler:

The twelve tests/tasks/chores wasn't the only thing on his resume. He still had far more history between that and his death.

[Takemi_Ikazuchi]

Spoiler:

Hercules...killed his own children and supposedly raped the queen of the Amazons to gain her belt; in some versions he just kills her and rips of her err... chastity belt from her dead body.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Takemi_Ikazuchi

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Hercules...killed his own children and supposedly raped the queen of the Amazons

Spoiler:

hercules kiled his own c=wife and children after a bout of madness was sent to him by Hera. it was not by his own doing. As for Amazon queen, are sure it was him and not Theseus.

[Takemi_Ikazuchi]

Spoiler:

that brief lapse of sanity qualifies him I suppose.

Anyway, I have the impression that it's a class trait. It seems all berserker class are inherently given inherent madness in exchange for more power, regardless on how the hero acted in real life

[Spectrum]

Spoiler for Berserker's weakness:

It's become readily apparent now that we know his identity that in order to beat him, one must throw barrels at his head until he dizzies, then attack him with one's weapon of choice, repeating as many times as necessary. Guarding when he lowers his head and charges around will get you another free set of attacks every now and again.

Originally Posted by knightsljx

EXTREME Spoilers!!!! Dun say I never warned you....

Spoiler:

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o_O So, are you claiming these are the real answers? If so, why put them in a *Speculation* thread? =X