Mahouka [LN/M] - Character Speculation/Theories: Erika

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

But for these 2 a magic battle is a battle with CQC, that's their fighting style. If they are fighting with magic involved Erika would be completely outclassed. With magic involved Mari is too strong for her, she has not the level as of now.

Magic battle is what happened with Minami and Erika. And you see how Erika got trash mostly because she went straigth out without thinking and her lack of magic is a proof that she is a course 2 student. Magic cqc is a battle without restriction. Which we mostly see when Erika is fighting. Either way Erika and Mari's magic are too out match. Mari boast in versatility of her magic and tecnique while Erika only master speed magic amd damage. But we all know that pure type is much more powerful than hybrid class.

[zerozeronine]

Erika vs Mari would be a close fight and Erika can push her in magic CQC,especially when she has Orochimaru,that guy can turn into snakes and summon giant snakes too

Seriously,Erika has the speed,better swordmanship and with Orochi. a special move,and I got annoyed that Lu took her out from that fight in vol 7,she should have lasted longer.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

Erika vs Mari would be a close fight and Erika can push her in magic CQC,especially when she has Orochimaru,that guy can turn into snakes and summon giant snakes too

Seriously,Erika has the speed,better swordmanship and with Orochi. a special move,and I got annoyed that Lu took her out from that fight in vol 7,she should have lasted longer.

Well she didnt try to dodge Lu or anything. Lu knows that if Erika was serious he would never be able to touch her. Anyway Erika filled her role as part of the team.
Erika most suited for hit and run tactics but I barely see her do it; only time she did it is against Lina and she barely used magic.

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Well she didnt try to dodge Lu or anything. Lu knows that if Erika was serious he would never be able to touch her. Anyway Erika filled her role as part of the team.
Erika most suited for hit and run tactics but I barely see her do it; only time she did it is against Lina and she barely used magic.

Well she can still shine in a future LN,now that's Mari has graduated from 1st High and rarely appears now

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

Erika vs Mari would be a close fight and Erika can push her in magic CQC,especially when she has Orochimaru,that guy can turn into snakes and summon giant snakes too

Seriously,Erika has the speed,better swordmanship and with Orochi. a special move,and I got annoyed that Lu took her out from that fight in vol 7,she should have lasted longer.

That's because she has not the level that she got beaten like that, when you compare her feats with Mari, it's obvious Mari is the better fighter by far. She is at the level of TMC magicians with her combination of magic and mastery of multiple weapons, Erika has a long way to go before reaching her level.

[somerand]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Well she didnt try to dodge Lu or anything. Lu knows that if Erika was serious he would never be able to touch her. Anyway Erika filled her role as part of the team.
Erika most suited for hit and run tactics but I barely see her do it; only time she did it is against Lina and she barely used magic.

Please tell me you don't honestly believe this..... We all know that Naotsugu is stronger than Erika in overall all strength and look at the Naotsugu vs Lu fight...

We saw no indication that she was holding back on her magic use against Lina, it's just that she's terrible at magic and can't activate it quickly.

Mari probably isn't way stronger than Erika in overall strength but she clearly has the better feats, she's confirmed to be the stronger magician and she faired better against Lu than Erika did. It's also implied in earlier volumes that while Erika is better in swordsman ship and would win a fight purely based on that Mari is the stronger of the two in overall strength when magic becomes involved.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by somerand

Please tell me you don't honestly believe this..... We all know that Naotsugu is stronger than Erika in overall all strength and look at the Naotsugu vs Lu fight...

We saw no indication that she was holding back on her magic use against Lina, it's just that she's terrible at magic and can't activate it quickly.

Mari probably isn't way stronger than Erika in overall strength but she clearly has the better feats, she's confirmed to be the stronger magician and she faired better against Lu than Erika did. It's also implied in earlier volumes that while Erika is better in swordsman ship and would win a fight purely based on that Mari is the stronger of the two in overall strength when magic becomes involved.

Read the fight with Lu and you'll understand what I mean. The fight with Lina proved that magic would just hinder her fight; she probably guess that her opponent(Lina) is much more faster in activating her magic(Lina overpower Miyuki in speed after all) but she did used magic till the last second.

What does feats have to do with anything? Mari is top 10 because of the school magic criteria and magic battle. But a magic cqc it would be over in an intant. Like wat happend to Mibu? Speaking of feats isnt Erika's more awesome standing at the top of her family; than Mari's branch family she couldny even complete dojigri without Nao's help?

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by pampz21

What does feats have to do with anything? Mari is top 10 because of the school magic criteria and magic battle. But a magic cqc it would be over in an intant. Like wat happend to Mibu? Speaking of feats isnt Erika's more awesome standing at the top of her family; than Mari's branch family she couldny even complete dojigri without Nao's help?

Not really

Yet on Mari's side, she wasn't using the same tactics either. Her advantage over others lay not in overwhelming magic power or swift activation speed, but her versatility in multiple magics and the ability to combine them to simultaneously chain multiple magics, a high class technique that was extremely difficult for her opponents to defend against. At First High, Hattori might possess a similar ability, but in terms of anti-personnel combat, Mari's complexity and versatility put all others to shame. Her expertise lay in striking at exposed sensory organs, such as auditory, olfactory senses in order to take away the enemy's fighting ability using magic. Thanks to these skills, Mari was able to stand shoulder to shoulder with Magicians who were direct descendants from the Ten Master Clans like Katsuto and Mayumi. The three of them together were known collectively as the "Triumvirate".

Erika won't last long against her. She doesn't just fight with swordsmanship and magic.

[somerand]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Read the fight with Lu and you'll understand what I mean. The fight with Lina proved that magic would just hinder her fight; she probably guess that her opponent(Lina) is much more faster in activating her magic(Lina overpower Miyuki in speed after all) but she did used magic till the last second.

What does feats have to do with anything? Mari is top 10 because of the school magic criteria and magic battle. But a magic cqc it would be over in an intant. Like wat happend to Mibu? Speaking of feats isnt Erika's more awesome standing at the top of her family; than Mari's branch family she couldny even complete dojigri without Nao's help?

You make it sound like Erika's never learnt anything from the chiba family either, which she obviously has and I'm guessing a lot more than Mari has considering she has been training with them from a young age.....

Secondly "What does feats have to do with anything"......... Feats are factual evidence without all the ridiculous assumptions that you make and base all your arguments revolving around Erika on. Feats mean a lot more than hype in any argument... So they have everything to do with anything.

Using Mibu as an example is terrible. Erika had her beat in both magic and swordsmanship. Erika used acceleration magic and swordsmanship combined against Mibu who was probably as equally useless in magic as Erika. Guess what, unlike Mibu Mari is TMC level in terms of magic. Mibu was a course 2 student that was failing hard in magic while Mari is top 3 in her year and specialises in anti personal magic, which applies to an Erika vs Mari fight big time.

Erika straight up blitzed Mibu with self acceleration if I remember cleary. Needless to say Erika obviously wont be blitzing Mari with any use of magic, Mari will obviously activate hers first. Erika would clearly win in a fight that is purely swordsmanship based, but when both magic and swordsmanship is involved Mari is clearly the overall strongest combatant in close-mid range combat.

Also you say "read the fight with Lu you'll see what I mean" Honestly do you believe anyone will view Erika related stuff the way you do? You assume everything from the best possible view point for Erika which is biased and fanboying, needless to say I probably wont see it the way you do. If you having something relevant to your argument quote it and explain why..

"By the way, Watanabe Mari is a disciple of our family as well.

I was the one who oversaw her certification.

In terms of pure swordsmanship, I am the superior one."

Erika mentions she is the superior in pure swordsmanship, not close quarter combat. Mari fared better against Lu and has far better magic feats. There's no way Erika would beat her feat wise as of volume 13. In fact volume 13 showed how a good magician with a half decent strategy can reasonably easily take Erika out if they understand how she fights, which Mari would as she has trained in the same style and obviously seen Erika fight many times. ( Manami vs Erika practice)

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

Not really



Erika won't last long against her. She doesn't just fight with swordsmanship and magic.

Whats the use of other variable if you cant beat that one thing?
Against speed anything is meaningless unless you share the same worlds.
Besides there is one proof Erika is stronger than Mari; if Mari is a disciple of the chiba family why did the author specifically said that among the people of the chiba family only her brother and her father would match to her?

Originally Posted by somerand

You make it sound like Erika's never learnt anything from the chiba family either, which she obviously has and I'm guessing a lot more than Mari has considering she has been training with them from a young age.....

Secondly "What does feats have to do with anything"......... Feats are factual evidence without all the ridiculous assumptions that you make and base all your arguments revolving around Erika on. Feats mean a lot more than hype in any argument... So they have everything to do with anything.

Using Mibu as an example is terrible. Erika had her beat in both magic and swordsmanship. Erika used acceleration magic and swordsmanship combined against Mibu who was probably as equally useless in magic as Erika. Guess what, unlike Mibu Mari is TMC level in terms of magic. Mibu was a course 2 student that was failing hard in magic while Mari is top 3 in her year and specialises in anti personal magic, which applies to an Erika vs Mari fight big time.

Erika straight up blitzed Mibu with self acceleration if I remember cleary. Needless to say Erika obviously wont be blitzing Mari with any use of magic, Mari will obviously activate hers first. Erika would clearly win in a fight that is purely swordsmanship based, but when both magic and swordsmanship is involved Mari is clearly the overall strongest combatant in close-mid range combat.

Also you say "read the fight with Lu you'll see what I mean" Honestly do you believe anyone will view Erika related stuff the way you do? You assume everything from the best possible view point for Erika which is biased and fanboying, needless to say I probably wont see it the way you do. If you having something relevant to your argument quote it and explain why..

"By the way, Watanabe Mari is a disciple of our family as well.

I was the one who oversaw her certification.

In terms of pure swordsmanship, I am the superior one."

Erika mentions she is the superior in pure swordsmanship, not close quarter combat. Mari fared better against Lu and has far better magic feats. There's no way Erika would beat her feat wise as of volume 13. In fact volume 13 showed how a good magician with a half decent strategy can reasonably easily take Erika out if they understand how she fights, which Mari would as she has trained in the same style and obviously seen Erika fight many times. ( Manami vs Erika practice)

Lol read vol. 1 tecniques are only shown once in their dojo meaning everthing Erika did is by her own power.

Being top 5 of the chiba house isnt a feat? Mari studied in that house too you know? Everything here are assumption; unless the author let them fight.

Iam talking about how Mibu and Erika's fight ended. Unless someone can react to her speed, everything would be meaningless. What did Mari even do to defeat Lu? The one who damage Lu in all 3 fights the most are Nao,Tatsuya, Mayumi. 2nd fight Tatsuya was the one that destroyed Lu's armor thats why she was able to deliver the blow. Erika was the one who made the opening thats why she was able to use her magic. So wat did Mari do again?

For a tiny instant, astonishment crossed Lu Gonghu's features.

There wasn't much sense that his blow connected, so in that instant, Erika must have activated Orochimaru's inertia cancel ability.

Yet, unlike Leo, Erika crashed into the roadblock and didn't get back up. If the inertia was entirely canceled, then even running into the barricade itself should yield no injury. This must be because the ability wasn't able to completely absorb the blow.

Lu Gonghu immediately concentrated everything on Mari.

However, that tiny fraction of an instant was enough to present a golden opportunity.

Fyi the one who devised that plan was Tatsuya, by using Minami's powerful barriers. Manipulating wind current and making truth serum with magic is indeed impressive but that doesnt neccesarily makes them the strongest. If Leo and Mari fights unless Mari able to break true Leo's armor Mari wouldnt be able to do shit.

[somerand]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Whats the use of other variable if you cant beat that one thing?
Against speed anything is meaningless unless you share the same worlds.
Besides there is one proof Erika is stronger than Mari; if Mari is a disciple of the chiba family why did the author specifically said that among the people of the chiba family only her brother and her father would match to her?



Lol read vol. 1 tecniques are only shown once in their dojo meaning everthing Erika did is by her own power.

Being top 5 of the chiba house isnt a feat? Mari studied in that house too you know? Everything here are assumption; unless the author let them fight.

Iam talking about how Mibu and Erika's fight ended. Unless someone can react to her speed, everything would be meaningless. What did Mari even do to defeat Lu? The one who damage Lu in all 3 fights the most are Nao,Tatsuya, Mayumi. 2nd fight Tatsuya was the one that destroyed Lu's armor thats why she was able to deliver the blow. Erika was the one who made the opening thats why she was able to use her magic. So wat did Mari do again?




Fyi the one who devised that plan was Tatsuya, by using Minami's powerful barriers. Manipulating wind current and making truth serum with magic is indeed impressive but that doesnt neccesarily makes them the strongest. If Leo and Mari fights unless Mari able to break true Leo's armor Mari wouldnt be able to do shit.

I never said that Minami was the one that came up with the plan. I just said that it proved that anyone with a decent level plan and decent level magic can take Erika out relatively easy assuming that they have a decent idea of how she fights, which clearly Mari does.

Also do you really believe Mari cannot react to Erikas speed? Erika was using acceleration magic while Mibu was using nothing, clearly Mari wouldn't be doing the same. She would be using magic to a far higher level than Erika. "The techniques that I've learned are all meant to be used in conjunction with magic. I underwent physical and weapons training in order to better grasp how to use my magic more effectively" ^ Mari's amgic and swordsmanship are specifically developed to complement each other. Her magic is clearly focused on close/mid range combat and her magical abilities are clearly leagues above Erikas.

Also the argument in your first paragraph is ridiculous. Mari clearly isn't considered a China even though she trained with them, she is from the Watanabe family, of the 100's. "Presently, of the Magicians serving as policemen or infantry in the military, it was rumored that half of them were directly trained under the Chiba Family's system. This was the case for the navy and air force as well. Any unit that could encounter close combat situations often petitioned the Chiba Family for training. "

Clearly just because you receive training under the Chiba family doesn't make you considered part of the Chiba family. Or is Maya Yotsuba and Koichi Saegusa considered to be a Kudou because they received training from him as children? "If solely dependent on connections within active duty troops, the Chiba Family's influence may eclipse that of the Ten Master Clans " As said in the quote people that train under the Chiba family system are considered associates/ connections not family members. Mari clearly isn't included in that statement a long with likely many other unnamed people that have trained under the system and would be stronger than Erika in overall combat strength. Or from over half of the active duty close quarter combat troops do you truly believe high schooler Erika is second only to Naotsugu in all of Japan... ?

Also as for your speed blitz argument do you truly believe Erika would speed blitz Mari...? Mari has far higher activation speed, she would be using acceleration and other forms of anti personal magic long before Erika could even try it.

[pampz21]

Iam making assumption base on the fact that the author layed out... arent the one who makes assumption base on nothing? If activation speed is really that so mighty, how does Tatsuya even fight Masaki? We all know that Tatsuya sucks in magic that the school layed out?.?.beside personal acceleration magic isnt a complex magic as the one that everyone use. Meaning accelaration magic>complex magic. This is what makes Erika deadlier than anyone. Erika likes to blitz but Erika trickery can match a distracted Lina even only using physical abilites. That ranking is every disciple of the chiba family; that includes Mari who studies the chiba family style.

Ps: i dont like to prelong this stupid arguement cuz iam almost out battery and i dont like trolling around specially on this thread.

[somerand]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Iam making assumption base on the fact that the author layed out... arent the one who makes assumption base on nothing? If activation speed is really that so mighty, how does Tatsuya even fight Masaki? We all know that Tatsuya sucks in magic that the school layed out?.?.beside personal acceleration magic isnt a complex magic as the one that everyone use. Meaning accelaration magic>complex magic. This is what makes Erika deadlier than anyone. Erika likes to blitz but Erika trickery can match a distracted Lina even only using physical abilites. That ranking is every disciple of the chiba family; that includes Mari who studies the chiba family style.

Ps: i dont like to prelong this stupid arguement cuz iam almost out battery and i dont like trolling around specially on this thread.

Firstly Tatsuya was fighting Masaki through dram demolition spam which isn't counted as magic and obviously doesn't use activation sequences. Secondly Tatsuya used regrowth which is an innate abilitity that activates instantaneously and thirdly he used flash cast to bypass his slow activation speed problem. Guess what, Erika has none of those possibilities, see the difference? Tatsuya wasn't using any of his normal that he had to activate through sequences at a slow course two student rate. That's clearly because he would've been floored by Masaki if he even tried, as Erika would be also.
"While she clearly knew this, Erika didn't plan on using magic.

She probably didn't have the time to design a Magic Sequence.

Erika was a Course 2 student that didn't excel in compiling technical skills. "

Erika takes considerable cast time to use any spells. Remember in the technical training that they doing in volume 1 or two Erika's activation speed was well over a second and Tatsuya had to give both her and Leo advice specifically just so they could pass the training. Mari would activate any form of acceleration or other magic much faster than Erika possibly could.

Clearly everyone who studies under the Chiba family system isn't considered a part of the Chiba family. If that was the case half the police force would be considered part of the Chiba family, which they clearly aren't. Training under someones style doesn't make you apart of their family. Notice how the quote specifically says "Chiba family" not associates or disciples just members of the actual family that hold a official position in the family. The dojo clearly brings people in from all over the place to practice in their style of martial arts, but it doesn't make them "Family"...

[Echizen777]

Pampz, Tatsuya never hit Lu even if he was helpful, Mari was pretty much Lu's main opponent in this arc, in the last confrontation he even wanted his revenge against her.

In volume 6, she helped Naotsugu by hitting him with two blades

Spoiler for Here:

After the fourth charge, Lu Gonghu's attack was interrupted by an
attack from the flank. On reflex, he took evasive action.
Two burning blades came rushing towards Lu. Its true form was
tightly compressed air caused by high temperature differences. Lu saw
the opening between the two blades and dodged between them. Yet
immediately afterward, the concentrated compressed air exploded in
fury, striking Lu's body from both sides with their combined
explosion.

She hit him with Dojigiri in the same volume after getting dizzy because of her absorption magic

Spoiler for Here:

Mari's right hand suddenly hurtled some sort of black dust towards Lu
Gonghu.
Lu immediately covered his eyes and ears.
The black dust seemed to cover his head and quickly dissipated after
emitting a faint light.
Lu's large frame started to rock back and forth. Under the effect of
Mari's Absorption-Type Magic, the rapidly "burning" carbon particles
were restricted from interacting with heat and light, but quickly
interacted with oxygen. The result was that much of the oxygen was
converted into carbon dioxide. In a flash, the air became thin around
Lu Gonghu's position.
Mari wielded the thin string in her left hand like a weapon. Along the
direction of the swing, the string emitted the repulsion edge "Pressure
Slash". Also, there was more than one. The twin blades falling upon
the head also emitted "Pressure Slash" along the edges of the blades.

He beat both Erika and Leo by using his barrier to stop her best attack and easily dodged it the second time, sending her flying. She even said that she lost, one hit was enough to make her lose consciousness for a while, in a true fight she would have been killed.

Chiba are pure swordsmen: With only swordsmanship the ranking is Naotsugu, Erika, father(I am not sure), Toshikazu.

With magic: Naotsugu, Toshikazu, father, Erika.

Mari is not a pure swordsman, she fights with other weapon combined with her magic, a quote above mentioned that her activation speed and interference strength are not her main strengths, if it's self acceleration she uses it too, Mibu said it herself but Erika must just be better than her in this category if it's a magic cqc and that's not enough to beat her.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by somerand

Firstly Tatsuya was fighting Masaki through dram demolition spam which isn't counted as magic and obviously doesn't use activation sequences. Secondly Tatsuya used regrowth which is an innate abilitity that activates instantaneously and thirdly he used flash cast to bypass his slow activation speed problem. Guess what, Erika has none of those possibilities, see the difference? Tatsuya wasn't using any of his normal that he had to activate through sequences at a slow course two student rate. That's clearly because he would've been floored by Masaki if he even tried, as Erika would be also.
"While she clearly knew this, Erika didn't plan on using magic.

She probably didn't have the time to design a Magic Sequence.

Erika was a Course 2 student that didn't excel in compiling technical skills. "

Erika takes considerable cast time to use any spells. Remember in the technical training that they doing in volume 1 or two Erika's activation speed was well over a second and Tatsuya had to give both her and Leo advice specifically just so they could pass the training. Mari would activate any form of acceleration or other magic much faster than Erika possibly could.

Clearly everyone who studies under the Chiba family system isn't considered a part of the Chiba family. If that was the case half the police force would be considered part of the Chiba family, which they clearly aren't. Training under someones style doesn't make you apart of their family. Notice how the quote specifically says "Chiba family" not associates or disciples just members of the actual family that hold a official position in the family. The dojo clearly brings people in from all over the place to practice in their style of martial arts, but it doesn't make them "Family"...

When did it ever stated that gram demo doesnt have activation sequence? if gram demo doesnt have activation sequence why didnt it make it with Masaki's 16 explosion if it just throwing balls? you mean activation sequence is much more faster than throwing balls on your opponent?

And it stated that Erika is much more faster than Tatsuya with complex spells?

OH GOD I cant believe you pulled that Family on me>...?Didnt you see the word disciple?

Originally Posted by Echizen777

Pampz, Tatsuya never hit Lu even if he was helpful, Mari was pretty much Lu's main opponent in this arc, in the last confrontation he even wanted his revenge against her.

In volume 6, she helped Naotsugu by hitting him with two blades

Spoiler for Here:

After the fourth charge, Lu Gonghu's attack was interrupted by an
attack from the flank. On reflex, he took evasive action.
Two burning blades came rushing towards Lu. Its true form was
tightly compressed air caused by high temperature differences. Lu saw
the opening between the two blades and dodged between them. Yet
immediately afterward, the concentrated compressed air exploded in
fury, striking Lu's body from both sides with their combined
explosion.

She hit him with Dojigiri in the same volume after getting dizzy because of her absorption magic

Spoiler for Here:

Mari's right hand suddenly hurtled some sort of black dust towards Lu
Gonghu.
Lu immediately covered his eyes and ears.
The black dust seemed to cover his head and quickly dissipated after
emitting a faint light.
Lu's large frame started to rock back and forth. Under the effect of
Mari's Absorption-Type Magic, the rapidly "burning" carbon particles
were restricted from interacting with heat and light, but quickly
interacted with oxygen. The result was that much of the oxygen was
converted into carbon dioxide. In a flash, the air became thin around
Lu Gonghu's position.
Mari wielded the thin string in her left hand like a weapon. Along the
direction of the swing, the string emitted the repulsion edge "Pressure
Slash". Also, there was more than one. The twin blades falling upon
the head also emitted "Pressure Slash" along the edges of the blades.

He beat both Erika and Leo by using his barrier to stop her best attack and easily dodged it the second time, sending her flying. She even said that she lost, one hit was enough to make her lose consciousness for a while, in a true fight she would have been killed.

Chiba are pure swordsmen: With only swordsmanship the ranking is Naotsugu, Erika, father(I am not sure), Toshikazu.

With magic: Naotsugu, Toshikazu, father, Erika.

Mari is not a pure swordsman, she fights with other weapon combined with her magic, a quote above mentioned that her activation speed and interference strength are not her main strengths, if it's self acceleration she uses it too, Mibu said it herself but Erika must just be better than her in this category if it's a magic cqc and that's not enough to beat her.

Tatsuya already rip true Lu's armor;>No matter how much Mari attacked It would never break Lu's defense basically Tatsuya's the one who defeated Lu.

Didnt you see my quote?

For a tiny instant, astonishment crossed Lu Gonghu's features.

There wasn't much sense that his blow connected, so in that instant, Erika must have activated Orochimaru's inertia cancel ability.

Erika took the fucking hit without running away. I don't even know why she did that>? There isnt any sense as to why she did it; even the author doesnt know.

OK; this is getting stupid and Iam tired. Just answer this one question:

"Who is stronger Mari or Nao?"

I'll wait for you guys to answer Mari

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Tatsuya already rip true Lu's armor;>No matter how much Mari attacked It would never break Lu's defense basically Tatsuya's the one who defeated Lu.

"Who is stronger Mari or Nao?"

I'll wait for you guys to answer Mari

Naotsugu is stronger than Mari but both are much stronger than Erika. Mari is also not a pure swordswoman but a master a multiple weapons.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

Naotsugu is stronger than Mari but both are much stronger than Erika. Mari is also not a pure swordswoman but a master a multiple weapons.

Wow.... This is BS; no point in continuing this.

You say Nao is stronger who shares the same style and is said that Erika is only second to his swordsmanship; only difference is the tecnique they use Erika uses Ligthning speed attack while Nao uses phantom-like blade. Isnt that just stubborness to admit that Erika has more edge than Mari? Being a big 3 is too much exaggeration if you ask me; because like hell those two (Mayumi and Mari) are par to Katsutos combat capabilities.

In the first place the moment that you think magic prowess is everything in a fight is stupid. The reason you think Nao is stronger than Mari in the first place is his expirience and combat capability.

[dualxfate]

can we just say at least that erika is equal to mari in terms of overall combat strength?

sure Mari may have the advantage in magic (types of magic at disposal, efficiency) but I think the great gap between her and Erika in terms of application/combination of magic to martial arts(speed, technique, instinct, ferocity) makes them equal.

But i do imagine Erika winning over Mari at the end since I sense that she is more battle tested.

[Ophis]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Didnt you see my quote?
Erika took the fucking hit without running away. I don't even know why she did that>? There isnt any sense as to why she did it; even the author doesnt know.

OK; this is getting stupid and Iam tired. Just answer this one question:

"Who is stronger Mari or Nao?"

I'll wait for you guys to answer Mari

I really don't know if it is just your blind fanboy taking action or it's your interpretation skills that are horribly poor.

Spoiler for Fight vs Lu:

Erika's Orochimaru swung downward.
This time, Lu Gonghu easily dodged the downward swing of the sword.
The downward swing of the odachi did not violently impact on the ground, but bounced upwards and sliced towards Lu Gonghu's abdomen. Inertia was not restored upon the swing downwards, but rather, concurrent with the slice upwards. This was one of the alternate techniques of Yamatsunami.
"Yamatsunami Tsubamegaeshi".
Nevertheless, while the weight of the blow was maintained, its speed was not; therefore, it was unable to break through Lu Gonghu's Steel Qigong. The blade slid across Lu Gonghu's abdomen as he bore down on Erika.
Erika's left hand released Orochimaru and used her forearm to eat Lu Gonghu's attack.
Both Orochimaru and Erika were sent flying.

Erika did not take the hit without running away. She took the hit precisely because she couldn't run away. Unless of course you think that Erika has some hidden teleport ability.

Had Erika not activated Orochimaru's inertia cancel ability at the time, she would be dead........

[zerozeronine]

About the Mari with Tatsuya fight,yes Tatsuya did almost destroy Lu's psion? armor and only reason that Mari did damage him,but Lu didn't really noticed I think what Tatsuya did.She had a tough time with Lu,even with the fight in Yokohama,Mari can't be said to defeat Lu alone,and yes Erika did give Mari the distraction to defeat him.
Mari vs Erika,Mari might win,but it won't be a walk in the park.