Log Horizon - Episode 20 Discussion / Poll

[aohige]

Originally Posted by DQueenie13

Now that I pay closer attention, is the artist for the manga/fan art illustration working on the anime production team or something? Considering that the fan art was published around 3 weeks ago, I doubt that was enough time to add her into the episode short-notice.

I did kind of wonder that, but it's may be that the author of DDD Diaries was invited to anime production at some point, since his work has already had decent amount of input into the canon. Sort of a secondary author position for advisory.

[monir]

Originally Posted by J4n1

But here's the thing.
Krusty does behave erratically (in battle), and he has shown no anti social behavior or inability to relate to people.

I would presume that behaving erratically has to be a requirement in battle for anyone when survival is at stake, but either way the term Psychopath normally associated with criminal behavior in a person. In Crusty's case, he seems to enjoy battle with a flair for the over-the-top and overwhelming display of his Level 90 rank.

[J4n1]

Originally Posted by monir

I would presume that behaving erratically has to be a requirement in battle for anyone when survival is at stake, but either way the term Psychopath normally associated with criminal behavior in a person. In Crusty's case, he seems to enjoy battle with a flair for the over-the-top and overwhelming display of his Level 90 rank.

True, though i doubt most get slasher smiles while doing it.
But my point is, that outside battle, when he goes berserk, Krusty shows no signs of any anti social behavior, quite opposite, he is known as a charismatic guild leader.

Which is no proof that he can't be sociopath, there just is no actual signs of it, but psychopath could be argued from his combat/pre-combat behaviour.

[Side-streetdog]

Yet, Again. I'm little disappoint in this episode as I expected too much.
Battle scene better than I though after several past episode but they did well last 2 episode.
It just I feel that they still can do better battle scene than this.
And contract scene... As it spell that break the world rule,
I expected something that show that something in world broke not just pillar of power.

Spoiler for Just little wish:

[snip]

As I said, I just expected too much.

After all this episode still amazing.

About Rudy contract I think It wouldn't be something easy to be done like many afraid.
Yes, If this knowledge spread out. There should be a huge uproar.
But in fact it still be hard to do something like Shiroe did even you have lv.90 scriber.
It did point out in series that you must have to have both high enough lv. and ingredient to successfully created something.
But even crafter have same lv. and ingredient are the same, things mightn't come out to be the same.
Shiroe have scriber lv.90 that hard to find and ingredient are rare items.
What more is he know concept of the world that a few can understand.
You also might count Rudy eager to be adventurer as one of factors too.

So the condition of Rudy contract isn't something could happen easily.
Even so this knowledge would really change the world of Elder tale.

One more thing.
Rudy doesn't really changed to Adventurer.
But he got subclass as Adventurer that let him have privilege as Adventurer has.
Like can revive at cathedral, friend list, Exp bonus, Bank vault, and Detailed status.
So he still People of the land but have Adventurer ability.

[monir]

Originally Posted by J4n1

True, though i doubt most get slasher smiles while doing it.
But my point is, that outside battle, when he goes berserk, Krusty shows no signs of any anti social behavior, quite opposite, he is known as a charismatic guild leader.

Which is no proof that he can't be sociopath, there just is no actual signs of it, but psychopath could be argued from his combat/pre-combat behaviour.

Point taken!

[Lazgrane]

dat antagonist face

Spoiler for :

I had to hold my belly for the laughter

[~Yami~]

wow.... Shiroe is like using hax power...
maybe the next victim would be Raynesia

well, the point is Crusty's squad is OP... Goblin isn't really a problem for them
the climax point in this raid arc is when they almost lost Rundelhaus...

I feel that I can't wait for next episode... Akatsuki need more screentime

[Ultragunner]

Actually, when you start thinking about it, Shiroe hasn't really broken any rules or laws of the world.

"People of the Land cannot revive after death", this is the rule.

However, there is also no rule stating that: "People of the Land cannot be changed into Adventurer (or a pseudo one)"

It's kinda like when Einstein proposed his Special Relativity. While it may seem counter-intuitive, there was no law in physics saying time and space were constant and the same for any frame of references (that was just what our mind supposed), so he went ahead and declared that time and space are relative, and it works!!

[jpwong]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

Best bonus Rudy just received: no more exp penalty, wooooo! Combined with his excessive grinding, he will surely catch up to the rest of his party.

Looks more like adventurers get an EXP bonus, not that people of the land get some penalty. Have to wonder, did all those resurrection spell count as him coming back to life and dying right away? He might have the highest death count in Akihabara right now if that's the case

[Estavali]

Originally Posted by DQueenie13

Also, BD 2 (Limited Edition?) has been put up for sale. Seems as though LE includes another bonus drama CD. Not sure about the details though, can't trust Google Translator.

Drama CD + "one-piece case" (phone case maybe?) + profile cards

[aohige]

No, it's just a fancy jewel case for the discs.
Just like the first bluray set

[Haruyasha]

Well shit, if he can just scribble anything and make it come true ... he already has the powers equivalent to a game master.

(Especially if he's able to change the properties of an NPC, something which shouldn't be possible, even with his 'world magic'.)

Although NPCs not having the ability to revive seems kind of silly imo. (Even if their immortality was traded for intelligence in the expansion.) If players can revive and mobs can respawn, it's only fair that NPCs should be able to respawn, especially if they can be attacked. Normally, permanent NPC death would spell griefing in any game. And with the supposed rape and slaughter of NPCs in that other town, that's exactly what was happening.

[HandofFate]

During the explanation of the contract, I was imagining a 4koma of Shirou explaining it, then Rudy just dying during it because it took him longer than 3 minutes to explain it.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Haruyasha

Although NPCs not having the ability to revive seems kind of silly imo. (Even if their immortality was traded for intelligence in the expansion.)

That's because NPCs may possibly be the actual humans of the world of Elder Tales, while the mobs are closer to abominations and Adventurers are answers to those abominations.

[Torayan]

Originally Posted by Haruyasha

Although NPCs not having the ability to revive seems kind of silly imo. Normally, permanent NPC death would spell griefing in any game. And with the supposed rape and slaughter of NPCs in that other town, that's exactly what was happening.

Well that's one of the corollary consequences of Apocalypse that Shiroe was worried about before Eastal invitation, right?

Besides, it's been suggested a while back that ET is not a game anymore, but some sort of alternate reality. The serie as taken Shiroe's hypothesis for granted so far, so one should assume that NPC are precisely not NPCs anymore... but ordinnary humans.
Meaning, in the end there's no such thing as "game-breaker" or "rewriting laws", Shiroe is just wielding the power of knowledge and deduction like a genius scientist (except ET's physics are partially based on magic)

[aohige]

Originally Posted by Haruyasha

Well shit, if he can just scribble anything and make it come true ... he already has the powers equivalent to a game master.

No, you're ignoring the context.
This is a "contract", not a "manifest whatever the hell I want".
A binding contract needs a recipient who agrees to the conditions of his/her treatment.

If Shiroe could ever make a deal with a God, perhaps he could very well ask for anything to happen... granted the God agrees to the condition.

If players can revive and mobs can respawn, it's only fair that NPCs should be able to respawn, especially if they can be attacked.

But you seem to be forgetting that the Landers are the only natives who have always been around.
The monsters were created out of a world-class curse, and the Adventurers were also summoned to the world through another world-class magic.
Of course these latter two beings would be different from the Landers... Monsters and Adventurers are both products of abnormality.

[Estavali]

Originally Posted by aohige

But you seem to be forgetting that the Landers are the only natives who have always been around.
The monsters were created out of a world-class curse, and the Adventurers were also summoned to the world through another world-class magic.
Of course these latter two beings would be different from the Landers... Monsters and Adventurers are both products of abnormality.

Considering that the monsters were created from the souls of those who died in the chaos prior to the first World Fraction, imho they too could also be seen as the natives of this world too, making the Adventurers the real odd-ones-out.

[Hiss13]

Ahh, that was a good episode. Shiroe should have tried to become a lawyer in the real world rather than an engineer. He's way too good at finding loopholes.

Originally Posted by Lazgrane

dat antagonist face

Spoiler for :

I had to hold my belly for the laughter

He's just enjoying himself. I'm sure you'd feel happy about the adrenaline rush you'd get if you were massacring an army of goblins with a huge axe.

[aohige]

Originally Posted by Estavali

Considering that the monsters were created from the souls of those who died in the chaos prior to the first World Fraction, imho they too could also be seen as the natives of this world too, making the Adventurers the real odd-ones-out.

Nah, because that entire thing was spawned from a curse, and that system of turning into demihumans didn't previously exist.

That's like saying turning humans into zombies is a natural thing because they were humans. Nope, it's an abnormality and an abomination no matter how you look at it.

[Estavali]

Originally Posted by aohige

Nah, because that entire thing was spawned from a curse, and that system of turning into demihumans didn't previously exist.

That's like saying turning humans into zombies is a natural thing because they were humans. Nope, it's an abnormality and an abomination no matter how you look at it.

Well, I don't mean that monsters are natural in Serdesea, but rather that they have their origins in that world =3. I tend to see them as reincarnations of all those dead people in the past and to me, they are, or rather were, at least native to Serdesea, while the Adventurers literally came out from nowhere =3