To Aru Kagaku no Railgun S - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[Auxilism]

Has a head-on collision between the railgun and a meltdown blast occurred at some other time to warrant the 'meltdowner is more powerful' idea or are we just going with it has more range (all over the factory), faster firing rate and that the railgun uses normal matter which meltdowner disentegrates (no matter how fast it is moving or how destructive it becomes?)?

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Another issue that Mikoto faces is the fact that she can't seem to be moving about when she uses her Railgun. We've seen her falling straight down and standing stationary, but it seems she can't move about to use it.

Has she ever tried or have a reason to do so? Some people thought that Kuroko was teleporting faster but others refuted that claim due to her not having a reason to do so in the past (Railgun S episode one).

The fight with Accelerator does not count as a reason to start moving around and fire railguns if she could; he deflected it (without even seeing it?) with no problem so being mobile while firing the same thing does not help.

Feel free to spoil me via messaging. (Not asking for links, just information.)

[Rising Dragon]

Not necessarily more powerful, but the Railgun requires physical metal material to be used at all--and as we saw in this episode, Mugino's ability vaporizes metal on contact. So a beam war like the one we saw at the end of the first season (ugh) would end in Mugino's favor, since it's eat the Railgun shot. Or if Mugino gets a shield up in time (of which there's plenty, given the coin flip and power generation), the shot can't hit her. Considering that every time there's been a coin flip when Mikoto uses the Railgun, chances are there's a reason for it--might be part of her power build-up for the magnetism needed. And if that coinflip is needed, she can't move around to fire it, because she's still got to be there when the coin comes back down.

In other cases, though, as a railgun she'd need a stable firing ground to get a clean shot in, which also limits movement. Moving about while firing would make it harder for her to hit Mugino in a fast-paced battle.

And then there's the whole fact that the railgun is a single shot, while Mugino can utilize at LEAST three beams at once. So yeah, not moving is suicide against Mugino.

[Auxilism]

Thank you for going more in-depth, it's necessary for anime only watchers to understand why you say something that might be from the manga or light novels. Even if you derived it completely from the anime, the scenes referenced should be mentioned and explained as people may see things differently/not see them as clearly. However, I was also talking to Marina2, sorry for not making it clear.

Maybe you disregard it because

Spoiler:

it's not in the manga

but Mikoto's railgun faced off Telestina's head on and Mikoto's kept going. I don't know if the coin Mikoto used disintegrated but it should due to crashing into another railgun, right?

[Marina2]

Originally Posted by darkhalo191

Mikoto's railgun faced off Telestina's head on and Mikoto's kept going. I don't know if the coin Mikoto used disintegrated but it should due to crashing into another railgun, right?

In that scene, I think J.C.Staff forgot that Railgun is not Laser beam.

[Rising Dragon]

That scene is wonky as all hell--the two shots should've destroyed each other upon impact, or one deflect the other, or both deflect, or one crash through the other instantaneously... it shouldn't have resulted in a beam war like that. It's right up there with the railgun shot Touma blocked in the manga--it shouldn't have happened like that.

[Auxilism]

I'm lazy to find the page you're talking about but I won't debate any further. I was planning a defense based on the Telestina battle (last episode of season one including the one with the car) but since you have such a strong opinion on it (please provide the manga chapter and page though if it's used as your evidence (no links)) not being in the manga I know it won't do much.

It was nothing much though, no points that I could disprove, just questioning the ambiguity of them.

[Marina2]

Originally Posted by darkhalo191

I'm lazy to find the page you're talking about but I won't debate any further. I was planning a defense based on the Telestina battle (last episode of season one including the one with the car) but since you have such a strong opinion on it (please provide the manga chapter and page though if it's used as your evidence (no links)) not being in the manga I know it won't do much.

It was nothing much though, no points that I could disprove, just questioning the ambiguity of them.

Second half of the first season is anime original, there is no manga counterparts.

[mangatron]

YEAAAH I love me some Meltdown-chan! That 16 yr old agent voice, that one piece dress with a belt under her boobies, those zzzzettai legs, those heeled boots, the green lasers

That fight scene was so glorious I just had to use it as my avatar. If only I had more space... Maybe in another 10 years the file size limit will be raised to 150KB *runs*

Can't wait for the next ep I'm not strange for liking this series more than Index, am I? I just love the girls here, it just ended up that this series means a lot to me. Hmm, there's also that hilarious part where I'm drawn to the girls with an M name

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by mangatron

Can't wait for the next ep I'm not strange for liking this series more than Index, am I? I just love the girls here, it just ended up that this series means a lot to me. Hmm, there's also that hilarious part where I'm drawn to the girls with an M name

Not at all. A lot of people like Railgun more than Index, myself included.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by darkhalo191

I'm lazy to find the page you're talking about but I won't debate any further. I was planning a defense based on the Telestina battle (last episode of season one including the one with the car) but since you have such a strong opinion on it (please provide the manga chapter and page though if it's used as your evidence (no links)) not being in the manga I know it won't do much.

It was nothing much though, no points that I could disprove, just questioning the ambiguity of them.

Like Marina2 said, the Kihara battle had no manga counterparts. What I had said about the railgun clash comes from simple physics. There was no way two physical projectiles hurled at such speeds via magnetism should've struck one another and fight to overpower one another. Even if Mikoto and Kihara's gun were using magnetism to hold the projectiles in place, at the very least Mikoto's shot should've eventually melted from the heat and friction. The attacks simply shouldn't have done what they did no matter how you slice it.

[Auxilism]

Maybe I misunderstood the reference to the manga...

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

It's right up there with the railgun shot Touma blocked in the manga--

You were using a manga reference to debunk the railgun fight, correct? However, I agree that physics does not allow it to happen in the first place.

[Rising Dragon]

Oh, that. I'll PM you about that, since people here really don't like it being brought up.

[mangatron]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Not at all. A lot of people like Railgun more than Index, myself included.

Ah, that's good to know

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Like Marina2 said, the Kihara battle had no manga counterparts. What I had said about the railgun clash comes from simple physics. There was no way two physical projectiles hurled at such speeds via magnetism should've struck one another and fight to overpower one another. Even if Mikoto and Kihara's gun were using magnetism to hold the projectiles in place, at the very least Mikoto's shot should've eventually melted from the heat and friction. The attacks simply shouldn't have done what they did no matter how you slice it.

I was watching this the other day, and I believe Therestina shot pure energy (I don't think she shot a projectile). Now I haven't continued my railgun studies since I moved to another project, but from what I know, Misaka had kinetic energy, and uh.... the way I saw it, Therestina's energy is, say artificial, whereas Misaka enjoys her natural ability.

Other than that, I think this discussion is best kept in the general thread

[Rising Dragon]

Kihara said the weapon was designed around Mikoto's ability. Given the projectile coloring and appearance, it was a railgun and thus would've fired a physical projectile.

[mangatron]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Kihara said the weapon was designed around Mikoto's ability. Given the projectile coloring and appearance, it was a railgun and thus would've fired a physical projectile.

The part that got me is that, the great Kihara research resulted in a weapon many times more powerful, all for one shot? I saw no cartridge system, so I assumed "Misaka's ability" meant her powers, not her "signature move".

[Rising Dragon]

Mikoto's power doesn't fire energy beams, however, and the various tines that come up from around the barrel are likely magnetic coils of a sort. Given that it's designed like a gun, and not like, say, a tesla coil, I daresay it was a railgun. I could go further in depth as to why it wouldn't be an energy beam but chances are I'd get banned for "spoilers" even though it's not really a spoiler.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by darkhalo191

You were using a manga reference to debunk the railgun fight, correct? However, I agree that physics does not allow it to happen in the first place.

Mikoto's railgun actually is just a coin that is moved by her esper power. The moment Touma touches it, the railgun becomes only an inmobile coin(aka returns to normal) as the electomagnetic force that moves it dissapears.

Since its way past their first meeting in railgun, the anime shafted their meeting on the bridge and...

Spoiler for Comparison to Index LN:

From previous reports about Academy City’s Number Three, Railgun, who Accelerator had faced off against before, in the rumors associated with the Railgun, there was one saying that an unknown Level 0 existed that could match against the Railgun using only his right hand.
This raised many questions.
For example, even if a right hand that could negate any ability exists, how could the one using it match his opponent’s timing?
A railgun attack was over three times the speed of sound, and lightning strikes were even faster. Even with a method of defending himself, to be able to time it right was extremely difficult. Even missing the timing by only an instant would probably result in death. In that situation, how could the scenario "Every single attack is negated easily" happen?


For example, when the Railgun used her ability, she would give off weak magnetic fields and electromagnetic waves that would make the metal items around her resonate. Because of the eventual large explosion, the Railgun herself probably wouldn’t notice these tiny vibrations like an earthquake’s precursor. ‘To see the invisible magnetic force, spread iron sand onto it to make it visible to the naked eye’, just like an elementary school experiment. So, because of these “An Involuntary Movements”, there would be hints to when the Railgun would attack.
Of course, that was not all.
That was not the only kind.
Even though her ability was more common compared to Accelerator’s ability, she was still the Number Three esper of Academy City, and shouldn’t be blocked that easily.
There were probably other reasons as well.
For example, the lightning strike.
If it was only high voltage electricity flow, by extending his right hand the lightning would be attracted onto it, with the right hand acting like a lightning rod.
Also, the iron-sand sword.
Apart from the sword in her hand, the iron sand around her would also change shape due to the magnetic force. In other words, a ‘visible magnetic path’ would be formed that could be used to predict where the strike would end up. Depending on the situation, he could even negate the sword without coming in contact with it just by touching the iron sand around him.
Sometimes the path to victory would change.
Was it using the most powerful ability one possessed, or the aftermath from that ability?

Touma not only has his right hand, he has the battle experience needed to match any and all of her attacks making them pretty useless against him.

I omitted spoilers so there shouldn't be any problem.

[GundamZZ]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Mikoto's railgun actually is just a coin that is moved by her esper power. The moment Touma touches it, the railgun becomes only an inmobile coin(aka returns to normal) as the electomagnetic force that moves it dissapears.

Since its way past their first meeting in railgun, the anime shafted their meeting on the bridge and...


Touma not only has his right hand, he has the battle experience needed to match any and all of her attacks making them pretty useless against him.


I omitted spoilers so there shouldn't be any problem.

Your description of her lightning can go either way. The description implies that she's either a walking battery or she is only the agent of the weather control. The description implies her "lightning strike" can be a stun gun or a thunderstorm. It's the difference between small scale and large scale force. The description of her power is too ambiguous. Also, the anime only implies Touma and Mikoto standing at same place and making the same gesture.

[relentlessflame]

Should we create a thread just to discuss the physics and potentiality of people's powers? I know there is such a thread in the Index LN forum, but do we need one here too? I think the conversation has veered too far away from what actually happened in Episode 9, so we need to reel it back in, but I'm not opposed to creating a thread if someone can propose it. Just submit it in the Request thread if you have a good idea.

[Marina2]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Should we create a thread just to discuss the physics and potentiality of people's powers? I know there is such a thread in the Index LN forum, but do we need one here too? I think the conversation has veered too far away from what actually happened in Episode 9, so we need to reel it back in, but I'm not opposed to creating a thread if someone can propose it. Just submit it in the Request thread if you have a good idea.

I think it's fine as it is.

This is ep.discussion topic. This anime gimmic is character's ability/skill.

We watched the ep -We saw a new ability introduced - We discuss about it as a part of ep. just like a plot, a story, etc.

Actually, in recent 2 eps. which focus on Mikoto battle vs ITEM, what are we support to discuss about if it isn't the abilities that used in battle.

Ability/skill discussion thread would be great as an optional thread but a discussion about ability/skill should be allowed in ep. discussion topic as well because sometime it's more convenient to just discuss about them right in the discussion topic of an ep. that showed them.

This is my viewpoint.