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View Poll Results: Penguin Drum - Episode 19 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 23 | 31.94% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 27 | 37.50% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 15.28% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 6.94% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 4.17% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 3 | 4.17% | |
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2011-11-19, 02:33 | Link #81 |
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Confusing as fuck episode, but entertaining. Masako is a ruthless bitch.
Well, Kanba x Himari becomes more of a possibility with this revelation, but apparently it's actually Shouma that saved Himari. This episode was a nice one detailing Himari's connection to her family, since it's been their driving force. Which really leads the question of is blood really that important-- is their family still real despite this. That's a challenge they'll have to face; can they accept the reality they made in spite of what happened? I give this episode an 8 but I want more answers. Also lol@ the factory of doom again.
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2011-11-19, 19:55 | Link #84 |
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Somewhere else someone pointed out that Shouma's constant failures to do anything heroic are often caused by his penguin sabotaging him.
And that when Shouma was doing stuff with Ringo that fate seemed to twist in certain directions... towards what Shouma thought was a better outcome?
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2011-11-19, 20:23 | Link #85 |
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I saw that theory too (think it was over on tvtropes) that perhaps fate is manipulating Shouma (through the actions of his penguin) so that he will be useless and unable to use whatever Momoka-like powers he might have. And, if Sanetoshi was the one to send the penguins, which is the feeling I got, then it would make perfect sense that he is trying to manipulate the game more from the sidelines.
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2011-11-19, 20:30 | Link #86 |
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I read somewhere that penguins could me made of children made invisible by the Child Broiler. It would explain why they are invisible.
In Episode 9, the conveyor that ships penguins bears the same symbols that the one sending children to the machine in the Child Broiler in Episode 19. snapshots : http://mawarupenguindrum.com/wp-cont...snap-00083.png http://mawarupenguindrum.com/wp-cont...8_01.31.12.jpg Last edited by VictorVV; 2011-11-19 at 20:47. |
2011-11-19, 21:10 | Link #87 | |
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2011-11-19, 21:15 | Link #88 |
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I get the feeling this episode is going to be mostly useless in terms of actually confirming reveals until episode 20 gives us some context. Because right now I just. I don't. Wh. What did. Who is. It doesn't.
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2011-11-20, 09:44 | Link #90 |
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the twists keep on coming, we were being misled all the time, next eps im sure we will see another twist, actually quite amazing a single eps shown so many things happening
at least now we know that Kanba is the only real son, too many questions in my head so will just wait for the next eps...
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2011-11-20, 19:03 | Link #93 |
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I have always felt that the child broiler was not a physical place, but more a state of mind.
Depression or so. Tabuki was depressed that his mother didn't seem to want him anymore, Momoka then befriended him and did what she did and in turn made him want to live again. Himari's real parrents might have died, she was depressed and got adopted by Takakura family where Shouma than befriended her. I might be wrong, but I have a hard time to accept that there is such a place as a child broiler that erase peoples existence I loved this episode, every episode of Penguin Drum is a blast! |
2011-11-22, 02:53 | Link #94 |
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Ikuhara definitely trolled us. He complained about fan shipping, and here he basically build up a love icosagon. Then you know what he will do next? he will doom all of them by the end of this, and let only non-romantic relationship remains...
So if you have been shipping any pairings in this anime. Prepare to face the ultimate troll, i don't think we see the worst of Ikuhara yet..... Back into the episode, i think Shouma is really Himari's fated one, and is only the real son of Takakura family. It's an ultimate irony, can't you see? The only child who despised his parents, and suffered no direct consequences from his parents actions, is the biological child. Comparing to both Kanba, who is their personal slave (being easily manipulated), and Himari who suffered all of the consequences. The second set of irony is more clear. Kanba who went an extra hundred miles to protect Hiamri, to keep the family together, who actually hold romantic feeling toward Himari all these times. But then his 'brother' who innocence was kept on, always arrive late to rescue, and who has always treat Himari no better than a sister, turns out to be Himari's fated person. To make it more sour, he is possibly Momoka partial reincarnation as well, and is center of affection from most key characters PS: it seems the diary tricked the wrong owner into what they wanted to see. That's why Ringo saw the future of her and Tabuki, Yuri saw the method to revive Momoka, and Natsume saw the spell that may save her brother. Maybe only when Shouma finally got a hold of it, that's when it becomes the Penguin Drum that can shift people fate. There the final set of irony. Everything in this anime can be solved if and only if Shouma touched/used the diary, which could happen as early as ep 5. Edit1: anyone noticed how Himari addressed herself in that broiler room? She might be the PoC afterall
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2011-11-22, 05:09 | Link #95 | |
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Ikuhara did say he feel some times the romance distracts the audience from the point the story's trying to make. But that doesn't mean he dislikes romance per se. For instance, the romance in the Utena movie is pretty prominent, and the movie still manage to make its point clear and it has a happy ending to boot.
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In the end it's just some twists of words from 'audiences being distracted from the story due to all of the heterosexual romance' to 'the heterosexual romances distracted the audiences from the story'. His exact quote was something like this: Quote:
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2011-11-22, 22:15 | Link #97 | |||
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Here some of my thoughts about a post from Ikuhara's twitter and how it relates to the latest developments in Penguindrum.
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This reminds me of how the otaku submerge themselves in the fantasy of pure waifus and refuse to accept that they need to change in order to have real lives and meet real girls. Quote:
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In episode 19 Himari begins to feel she's losing her place in the family. Right after she sees Shouma and Ringo washing the dishes, there's a shot of Double H on the TV. There's a unspoken question lingering here: "Will I lose my place in the family, like I lost my place in Triple H?" From this scene, it strikes me that Himari's most important desire was/is to be part of Triple H. That didn't work out, and now her family is some sort of replacement for what she's lost. But now that even her family seems to be slipping away from her fingers, she begins to remember who she really is. Why does her memory is coming back now of all times? Because right now, when she feels she's losing her family, she desperately needs something to hold on to. Enter the "fated love." "It's ok if I can't be part of Triple H. It's ok if I lose my place in the family. It's ok because my "fated one" will without a doubt accept me the way I am, so I don't need to change, I don't need to do anything." Little Himari here is running away. She's using the "illusion" of fated love to avoid facing reality, facing her problems. It's pretty much the same as Shouma blaming his parents for the all the hardships in his life. Whether his parents are terrorist doesn't matter. He will never become stronger unless he change and stop blaming others (or fate). He and Himari need to take the reins of their own lives and stop running away.
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2011-11-23, 01:01 | Link #98 |
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@Kazu-kun: it is a romantic idea to look at things from that viewpoint. And i do agree that little Himari have always wants to belong to both the Triple-H and her family, and run from one to another when she encountered hardship. But isn't everyone always has something called "home" to run back to whenever things gone wrong? It's a weakness, but without it, they have nothing to begin on.
In case of Himari, when her dream of Triple H fell out, she fell back and tried to be content with being with her family. And once her role family is more settle, she try to reach toward her role within Triple H (maybe not as a member, but as a friend). One thing i do not agree is, when you stated that she is trying to run away to her 'fated one' once her role in the family shaken. Could be. But it's too early to tell. IMO, little Himari always only has one home to run back to - her family. And the arrival of Ringo making her less insecure about her role within the family . And then it was further crumbled, as we realised that she may not be connect by blood to her family in the first place. If you think about it, the screen will not be near as strong if... let's say Tabuki is her soulmate. PS: Or we can also interpret that screen of Shouma and Ringo washing dish as the foreshadow of this episode ending. Himari's woman tuition just pricked herself when she sees her fated one with another woman. But i knows since you are in RIngo x Shouma camp, so i won't cross you on that
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Like I said, that's totally difference than relying on your family from time to time. Quote:
I do think that instead of hiding herself in her "fated love" she should try to meet Hibari and Hikari and find some closure with them. Maybe even rekindle their friendship. That's what she really wants to do after all. But she obviously doesn't have the courage for that. If she did, we probably wouldn't have much story to tell. Quote:
The thing is that looking for personal validation in something external to you is always a misguided exercise. It makes you dependant. And I don't think it's a coincidence that Himari began to remember her "fated one" now the she's in desperate need of personal validation. And that's the problem. It's Momoka and Tabuki all over again. Quote:
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