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Perfect 10 | 33 | 58.93% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 17 | 30.36% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 5 | 8.93% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 1 | 1.79% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2014-12-15, 02:46 | Link #81 |
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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Archer, as the future version of Shirou, isn't going to be fighting bad guys in the far future. Only 20, 30 years from his present, tops. What are people expecting? Phasers and hoverboards? One of those was anticipated to be ubiquitous by now only thirty years ago. How'd that work out? His armor is made from materials that could likely exist today but for lack of having been discovered yet, and his bow is similarly crafted, and Projected each time he wants to use it. His "future gear" really isn't all that futuristic, so why would anyone expect his experiences to be?
And keep in mind as well, the Nasuverse is chock full of "people" who either were around in medieval times or act like it now. There are any number of Mage's Association members who dress in fashion that was old at the turn of the previous century, not even counting what they would wear to something as formal as EMIYA's execution... And I hate to break it to anyone who isn't aware, but there are plenty of places in our world today where people are hanged for any number of reasons, official or otherwise. I don't expect that to change any time soon, especially in the kinds of out-of-the-way places where EMIYA would be operating.
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2014-12-15, 08:57 | Link #82 |
reality has no meaning
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: somewhere within the dark chaos that is my mind
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the grail summons copies as it does not have the power to fully resurrect souls of such proportion as legendary heroes (only by the ritual being completed and obtaining heavens feel would it be able to do such a thing). the world however has no such limitations( hell it put saber into the grail war before she died when she made a contract with it. hence why she can't go into spirit form) and being a counter guardian does not equate to being unstoppable. yes he essentially did become a one man killing machine which is why he resents being a hero/counter guardian. the only way he could save people was to kill those responsible/involved in the catastrophes he was sent to stop. thus he came to hate himself and his ideals enough to attempt to kill his past self and create a paradox that may or may not release him from what he sees as hell.
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2014-12-15, 09:04 | Link #83 | |
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As far as people expecting super future flashbacks from Archer's life goes, FSN takes place in 2004 I believe. We are in 2014, that's ten years and we are nowhere near the tech that people often think the far future will have. |
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2014-12-15, 09:29 | Link #84 |
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For Archer's flashback, people actually didn't expect something futuristic-fancy. But instead of modern-day buildings or structures that can enforce the fact that he indeed comes from the future, they showed us Archer in a place that resemble the middle ages. Not saying it's wrong, but why not show us that glimpse of the future where he comes from? So yeah, the question is "Why not?"
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2014-12-15, 09:35 | Link #85 | |
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2014-12-15, 10:08 | Link #86 | |
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No seriously, if hanging around the forums through the years taught me something, it is that people are horrible at understanding what is being being foreshadows... a person either gets it or not, it is in-between only if the author throws around red herrings as if it were candy.
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2014-12-15, 12:20 | Link #87 | |
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2014-12-15, 17:48 | Link #88 |
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Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Indonesia
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^ Thanks for the screenshot. But then why only from afar that they look modern? When it zoomed in and cut to other scene, it looks more like the people from middle ages (especially the armored soldiers with spears in their hands).
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2014-12-15, 21:23 | Link #90 |
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If they looks like medieval knights, if they live in medieval looking castles and if they use medieval looking garrote.... I think it's save assume they are from middle-age. Magicians aren't THAT behind afterall (most of them wear suits at least).
It's probably from one of Archer missions as counter guardian that happened further in past. PS: I was wondering for while, considering EMYA job how did he got involved with throne of heroes and holly grail?
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2014-12-15, 21:39 | Link #91 |
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Counter Guardians--hell, Heroic Spirits in general--don't manifest in human form, though. They manifest as natural phenomenons. Think natural disasters like earthquakes, floods, tornadoes, etc--THAT'S how Counter Guardians operate when the Counter Force fails.
As for how he got involved in the Holy Grail--well, he's a Counter Guardian. All Counter Guardians are Heroic Spirits, anonymous in life or not, and thus their souls have ascended to the Throne of Heroes.
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2014-12-16, 01:06 | Link #92 |
reality has no meaning
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Key word being in general, but it does happen. also its the reverse all heroic spirits are counter guardians however not all counter guardians are heroic spirits. Are you referring to them as natural disasters in terms of natural disaster in respect to sheer destructive power and damage? cause very few match that. those that do are the like of hercules and gilgamesh. most others could be described in that manner but only in terms of the impact they had on the events and people around them. most were simply highly charismatic leaders that shaped the world around them. I don't understand what you mean by the counter force failing. are you referring to less subtle methods failing prior to the deployment of a counter guardian?
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As for the natural disaster, that's the form that they supposedly take whenever CG are deployed. Counter Force failing that meaning that the subtle methods - nudging, hinting, gut feeling of the people involved - failed. At that point there's only one thing left: Wipe out everything in the are. Which means CG deployment. Edit: Here's a quote about CG that I found: Quote:
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2014-12-16, 21:53 | Link #95 |
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Keep in mind that Counter Guardians or Heroic Spirits can be summoned in any time period regardless of their original one. Also that they can be summoned to entirely different universes from their original, EMIYA is actually a case for that.
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2014-12-16, 22:07 | Link #96 |
Goat Herder
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And again: being summoned into the past to operate as a Counter Guardian wouldn't actually give them a body to kill. Counter Guardians act as natural disasters. They can't hang a tornado, they can't stab an earthquake to death.
Also, Rin specifically says "so that's how he became a Heroic Spirit." A.k.a. it was EMIYA's execution for his being framed for war, when Alaya finally claimed his soul for the Throne of Heroes.
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2014-12-17, 04:28 | Link #97 |
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It's like Saber took over the position of Master and is leaving Kiritsugu (Archer) behind the scenes.
I guess unlike Heroic Spirits, who undergo a format.... Counter Guardians remember everything they've gone through (or it's really the Magus Association and they suck at modernization).
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2014-12-17, 04:36 | Link #98 | |
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Also, where was it confirmed that they are natural disasters again?
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2014-12-17, 05:01 | Link #99 | |
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2014-12-17, 17:37 | Link #100 |
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Guys please remember one thing : Emiya offered himself to the world in exchange of power AFTER HIS DEATH. So basically thats the place where his mortal life ended.
About the medieval part could be due to : being executed on god forsaken land or have something related with the church/mage asociation. Counter Guardians are HAX and unless we talk about very OP creatures VERY FEW mortals could stand, much less aprehend alive and then execute a CG Magus get dreams about the life or their servants and viceversa, and thats was very clear when Tohsaka commented bitterly about his death that he was a fool |
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