2009-09-08, 13:02 | Link #81 | |
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Love is not logical, period. There is no precise process or set of criteria that automatically and without fail lead to a relationship. So saying that Kaede had all these points and qualities that clearly made her the only logical choice to be Rin's girlfriend is irrelevant. Love (or at least real love IMHO) is unconditional. It comes with no strings attached. Any relationship with Kaede for Rin would have been totally conditional. She wanted him at the center of her perfect little universe and if he so much as breathed without her help it was tragic. The whole concept of co-dependency as the core of a relationship, quite frankly, disgusts me. People in a relationship rely on each other yes, but in a healthy relationship people also still retain a sense of individuality. Kaede had no concept of herself aside from being Rin's doormat. All of this is also not to mention that any relationship with her would have never helped her truly reconcile with her mother's death or with everything she did to Rin as a child. They were merely maintaining the status quo, never going forwards or backwards. That's no kind of life and that's no kind of real love. Yes, Rin did not handle the situation with her as well as he could have. He openly admits as much to everyone. But at least he had the gumption to do it instead of just falling back to the same crap that had gotten them into that situation in the first place. It would have been even more unconscionable and disappointing had he caved. Asa never once overtly demanded Rin's attention. She never tried to be anything more to him than a friend. Their romance and love simply sprang from that, and that's as genuine as you can get when it comes to love. Believe me, I speak from personal experience there. You say it's unthinkable for Rin to "abandon" Kaede? I say it's unthinkable for him not to leave her, and not because of Asa's situation with her health.
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2009-09-08, 22:27 | Link #82 | |
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2009-10-26, 02:39 | Link #83 | |
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Sorry justin, I'm gonna have to burst this guy's bubble here. This may have looked like the perfect solution, but he's definitely conveniently skipped over some glaring problems here.
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I most certainly wouldn't accept any. If you truly beleive that this person you're living with happens to be mentally ill and you care even a little bit, then its time to get some balls and do something about it. Again, I'll accept that this might not be a worthwhile relationship to pursue at her frame of mind, but I'll be damned if I agree that it wasn't better to talk things over, and get some outside help instead of burying it. But that's the way I am, I'd much rather get this out in the open and let the wound heal naturally, instead of ignoring its still got a jagged piece of glass in it. All this situation showed to me was how incredibly unresourceful and unintelligent Rin was, and how quickly he wished to absolve himself of responsibility. Yeah, you'll bring up their past together, but that situation, and her father shares the blame too, was handled in an incredibly half-assed way. How long do you think keeping this ruse could've gone on for before she did something truly heinous? And it would be on both of their heads as well as hers. It was moronic, and the doctor who suggested such a treatment should have had his medical license revoked. But I'll chalk that up to the writer making her condition totally unrecoverable to that extent bad writing. Its ludicrous. If he felt that she was an important part of his family, then don't wash your hands of it just because its a hard decision! So yeah, I think its unthinkable to leave her in the that state she's in, and again, he's very lucky that things ended as peacefully as they had. No excuses. In fact I doubt he ever said these three choice words, "I forgive you." |
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2009-10-26, 07:22 | Link #84 | ||
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Plus, it's not like they, I dunno, are in the same class at school or anything like that.. So, yeah. Not alone. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Quote:
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2009-10-26, 10:36 | Link #85 | |
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Also: So basically its ok to completely disregard my opinion. Sir, I have to say you're pretty narrow minded here. There isn't anything to talk about without speculation, and the story remains static otherwise. I see you smoothly ignored all of what I said just because 'it didn't happen that way.' That's why we have a character discussion, because we are discussing things about the character's circumstances, personality, and their life. If you find that to be pointless, well then, too bad. |
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2009-10-26, 11:42 | Link #86 |
Ahou ga
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I'm sorry if this is somehow touching a raw nerve for you or if you have some kind of personal experience with something similar to this matter. My original post certainly was not intended to be so provocative.
However, I stand by my earlier comments and my original post. Nothing you've said is compelling enough to sway me simply based on the fact that all your scenarios are pure conjecture and did not actually happen in the series. It is patently impossible for any of us to say with any certainty how things might have turned out had the series been at all more realistic in the ways that you describe. Frankly, I think it would be a far less entertaining watch if it were. This is, after all, a harem series based on a fantastical world setting. This is not School Days, thank God. I'm really not interested in continuing this matter any further. At least not until you're willing to tune down your rhetoric a bit and not resort to making judgments about my personal character based on, of all things, my view of one fictional character in an anime series. You really care way too much about this.
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2009-12-08, 02:02 | Link #90 |
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given her past actions towards Rin, its hard to feel bad for Kaede at first, she more than makes up for it by basically becoming his servant though, when things started to go south in kaedes head, Rin should have had the brains to see what was happening and he should have addressed it, instead, being the oblivious guy he sometimes is, he let it spin outta control which led to kaedes complete mental breakdown and complications between her and Asa, Kaede is both a perpetrator and a victim at the same time which is why her story keeps me interested and added to the greatness of this series
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2009-12-08, 13:35 | Link #91 | |
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Perhaps her dedication to him makes her more sympathetic, but it doesn't really 'make up for' the difficulties of the past, it just covers them up for her.
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I still don't get one thing after reading the entire thread. Why the heck are KKK members mad at Asa and Rin for? I thought that they should be happy that Rin has Asa now as Rin would no longer bug Kaede. From what I see, most are just talking as though they are Kaede herself, not KKK members. Here's a spoiler on what I thought that the KKK should have done
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P.S. I LOVE Kaede and I am not from the AAA or KKK. I don't hate Asa enough to join a hate Asa club (KKK) even though I love Kaede |
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2010-01-03, 00:43 | Link #96 | |
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