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View Poll Results: Macross Delta - Episode 5 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 4 | 13.33% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 10 | 33.33% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 9 | 30.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 10.00% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 10.00% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 3.33% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2016-05-02, 07:07 | Link #81 |
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Yeah Macross gavenever portayed Military in a good light since Kawamori is anti military. He tends to make misfits, rebels and private organizations as heroes. Also Windemere needs to do everything in their disposal to get rid of a superior enemy. American revolutionaries were terrorists to.
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2016-05-02, 07:08 | Link #83 | |
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On the other hand, Windermere's actions in using the Var was done when they had not openly declared war, thus they could not be counted as combatants, and therefore at the time of the Al-Shahal attack they were terrorists in every legal sense of the word. Hell, they even hid their unit markings and used jamming technology to prevent anyone from properly identifying them.
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2016-05-02, 07:10 | Link #84 | |
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To the Windermereans, it's basically a question of "Who the hell are you to say 'Our way is right, yours is wrong'?" THAT, in itself, is the root of the issue. === And even if you want to dismiss that point, your argument doesn't fly because of the underlined claim, since it was only in this episode that they were finally able to achieve what Roid was trying to do: controlled use of Var so as to minimise casualties.
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2016-05-02, 07:27 | Link #86 |
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But we really dont know what the colonists did. Were they asshole conqueres that took their precious apples? Were they not? We only had perspective from the knights. And their leader seem to think they are the true heir of protoculture and they are to guide their brethrens in the Brisingr star cluster... Those colony fleet descending down upon your planet that havent even reach industrial evolution sure looks threatening though |
2016-05-02, 08:00 | Link #88 |
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Being pushed by said alien ship into a war that nearly annihilated the human race is not what I'd call "lucky". Humanity got to where they are in this setting only by paying the blood of billions.
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2016-05-02, 08:02 | Link #89 | |
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Windermere seems to be a jab at Japanese history. Megaroad fleet is the American black ships. The revolution the Meiji restoration. Not the first time Kawamori did this in Macross. He made an entire OVA directed at Japan's whaling industry. |
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2016-05-02, 09:18 | Link #92 |
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I do wonder if the dimensional barrier on Windermere is similar to the Ouroboros aurora where there are fold faults.
If so NUNS can't make a first strike as it negates fold drives... Unless Chaos has Fold Dimensional Resonance System on their VF-31s. As the VF-31 was based on the YF-30. |
2016-05-02, 09:38 | Link #93 |
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I just watched the episode and I'm liking it. Freyja reminds me of ranks in lots of ways. Genki and being developed early. Its the same for minmei but I don't remember much aboutthe ooriginal macross/robotech. As for macross 7... Seriously. I don't even remember the name of heroine there. I only remember basara with his guitar and singing in front of that proto devil in girl but she is not that pink haired band member.
Freyja is being developed early and later mirage. I don't even know that she is the grandaugther of those 2. I know she is somewhat connected but i dont know the full details. Nice episode and messer is still strict but understandable.
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2016-05-02, 10:06 | Link #94 | |
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Wind is in a peculiar situation. They have isolated themselves in a way that nothing is going in, and very little is coming out. Seriously, if the NUNS wanted to, they could potentially blockade the entire system.
Being a sole dot in the cosmos, the Kingdom should realize they have very little means in competing against the industrial might of the NUNS. Unfortunately, due to them also dying early and young, there are far more individuals who are excessively nationalistic and hawkish. There is no dissenting voice within the Kingdom, only differentiating between smaller and bigger hawks. Quote:
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2016-05-02, 10:15 | Link #95 |
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Didnt Kaname or Arad said something in the line of "due to use of dimension weapon the two side stopped fighting fot the time being?" When they were talking about hisotry of NUNS-WIndamere in NyanNyan restaurant?
Pretty sure dimension weapon was used, but by whom? I doubt it is NUNS... Judging from when a Megaroad approched WIndamere scene in intro naration, Windamere really dont seem to be that kind of threat to use dimension weapon on. EDIT: It was Mirage |
2016-05-02, 10:17 | Link #96 |
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IIRC, the Dimension weapon was in reference to the dimension barrier the Wind erected around the planet. Thus leading to self-imposed isolation.
If the NUNS threw a blackhole bomb at the very start, there wouldn't be a Wind. Though it'd be extremely counterproductive because it'd destroy all ruins on the planet. Those protoculture assets are pretty much the Wind's only saving grace. - Tak
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2016-05-02, 10:20 | Link #97 | |
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Which means that if you are on Windermere side, it might looks like NUNS used it and damaged their Fold space in the process. |
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2016-05-02, 10:25 | Link #98 | |
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2016-05-02, 10:26 | Link #99 | |
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You can count me with magnuskn. Functionally, I don't see a difference between Winderemere's actions in Episodes 1/2 and terrorism. Certainly no different from the perspective of the victims (at least with a formal war declaration people know that there are enemies out there warring against them).
Winderemere's stated motivations thus far are fine for establishing believable motivations. However, I'm not yet inclined to consider them sympathetic. Quote:
On the whole, I have mixed feelings on Episode 5. The fantastic Freja flight was lots of fun, but the timing is at best questionable. Is this really the tone Delta wants for its first episode after the main antagonists declare war? I was a little disappointed that Freyja was so shellshocked by the media. The media coming after her like this was the absolute least Freyja and the people surrounding her should have expected. While I feel sorry for Freyja, I can't at all blame people for suspecting her of being a spy. Anyway, I might have more to add later, but I'll leave it at that for now.
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If the Wind did not get lucky and managed to weaponize the Var virus (a phenomenon not of their own design), there wouldn't even be a war right now. Once the NUNS learns to counter this, well... Quote:
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