2011-05-14, 08:42 | Link #83 |
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That sounds....dangerous
And...though I've been thinking of OCs for HnA for a while, I've been holding back because of stuff like Irokane and other things. So far, only have two thought out: 1 male and 1 female And also cooked this up, and would like to hear everyone's opinion about it Spoiler for HVS:
Came up with that some 5 minutes ago, so there may be flaws in it If you want a mental image of HVS-state, think of Fate/Stay Night's Gilgamesh *runs at the speed of sound*
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2011-05-14, 09:29 | Link #85 | |
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A taser is a pretty risky weapon - if the needles don't go through the cloth, the guy will be very angry. If the person is sweaty, you risk short-circuiting the taser. Quote:
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Only the Taliban are dumb enough to struggle for the weapon. Smarter soldiers would have thrown a punch at the bridge of your nose, reached for your sidearm, hooked your leg and flipped you down, or even worse, if he grabs the barrel he is going to press it under your neck. That is why a knife is useful. It prevents the attacker from trying to grab you, get closer than he already is, or make any random movements because he is going to get himself cut in the process. Quote:
Also, how are you going to reach for your pistol when your master hand is already holding your rifle, but letting go of the rifle means the asshole is going to sock your face in with the butt? A knife, on the other hand, can be handled at no matter what position as long as you can reach for the hilt - overhand is thrust, underhand is stab. At a range of half your entire armlength, NEVER slash. Three basic rules of knife-fighting. Finally, hand-to-hand combat is brutal and uglier than you think. Like any form of fighting, it is either he/she goes down permanently, or you do. And when someone goes down permanently, he/she is usually dead, or K.O. Quote:
This isn't magic. I have seen equipment being built and used like that. And they are usually custom made, incredibly rare and cost a bomb. The only thing to mitigate the cost factor is either by gift, hand-me-down or in most cases, DIY. Quote:
If you want junk science, look for intelligent design. That is not what I am talking about here, I am talking about MATERIALS SCIENCE. Also, Isaac Newton was proven wrong that his Laws of Gravity don't work for something that has no mass; light can be bent, but photons have no measurable mass - nothing is impossible in science because anything can be built with a plan, acquisition list and design. If you are looking for someone to flame to assert your superiority, you are in the wrong place. If you want to prove me wrong, show me a real scientific experiment done that it is impossible. Don't just throw around your "it cannot be done" and just leave it there. Quote:
Chemistry 101 : As long as it is a metal with a malleable nature and non-liquid, it usually can be alloyed or plated/coated around something. It is due to the nature of metallic bonds - all you need to do is to rule out a base metal to work with and the properties you want it to have, and mess around with the composition until you get what you want.
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2011-05-14, 10:05 | Link #87 | |
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So, for better management she turns the shield on as a reactive defence, and spends more of the power on shield tosses and heals.
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2011-05-14, 10:23 | Link #89 |
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Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost
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Giving a try, it's been a while since I have done that:
The "You should not make them angry" duo, otherwise nice folks to get along with. Character .1 Spoiler for portrait:
Name: Kirsten "Kirsty" Vikernes (theorical) VA: Mamiko Noto Nationality: Norwegian Age: 16 Class: 1st year Butei Rank: B Ancestor: That unknown viking Department: Assault Bloodline Ability: Berserker Fury Weapon:A short battle axe with a chain and a weighted ball attached to the other side of the axe head. Based on the concept of the kusarigama. She mainly uses the chain to disarm and trip, the ball & the blunt part of the axe to knock out, and the axe head for intimidation tactics. This is her main weapon. As secondary weapon, she carries a Heckler & Koch P30 semi-automatic pistol. Friends: Sanae Noriaki, Amelie D'Artagnan, Fiorenza Diotallevi and Preston Lee Whitworth. Character Quotes: "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." "I told you to not do that." Background: Spoiler:
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Name: Preston Lee Whitworth (theorical) VA: Minoru Shiraishi Nationality: British (English, not Welsh, not Scottish, not Northen Irish, he makes a point about it) Age: 17 Class: 2nd year Butei Rank: A Ancestor: Spoiler:
Department: Medica Bloodline Ability: The Hands and eyes of the Doctor. Weapon:Scalpels, needle and thread (main). Sig 232 (secondary) Friends: Sanae Noriaki, Amelie D'Artagnan, Fiorenza Diotallevi, Kirsten Vikernes. Character Quotes: "Don't mind me, I am just here for damage control. Please carry on your business." "Please, my bloodline have no bearing over my actual personality. Would you please let my acts speak for themselves?" "Yes, I do a watered down version of Hokuto Shin Ken. Without the explosions." Background: Spoiler:
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2011-05-14, 10:43 | Link #90 |
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I just wanna remind folks that for all the fancy guns, blades, funky magical powers, etc, Butei are not supposed to kill, as demanded by Butei Law 9.
@SaintessHeart: calm down, man.
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2011-05-14, 11:27 | Link #91 | |
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I take my science seriously and I do my best to turn it into workable fiction basing it on the fundamentals of both theory and practical, as well as experience. If anyone has ideas, share. Any corrections that can be made, point out and provide proof. That is civility; not half-past-six "it is rubbish and cannot be done" replies without any technical backing which is a taunt to start a flame war. Back to the topic, Butei Law 9 is followed as a guideline. Any weapon that can kill can be used to injure, for example, security troops wielding shotguns often fire at the leg so the pellets will disable the person. Of course, there is a risk of blowing their leg off entirely; nonetheless if weapons are not to be used to kill, why wield them?
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As bears repeating, I grew up in a jungle in the middle of nowhere and only achieved broadband about 5 years ago. Despite my command of English (which has caused me to become the de facto SOP/Manual/Official Document/Memo writer of my company's Customer Service Centre for both Malaysia and Singapore branches), I'm a Malaysian national.
As a result of living in the middle of nowhere, what tools we had were utilitarian and simple, a fact that has since influenced me in daily life, and has thus influenced my OC. Now mind you this can be used to show differing opinions - we've got an SSR OC with exotic weaponry and special abilities on her side, clashing opinions with an Assault OC who's more down to earth and has no special abilities beyond a near-photographic memory for music, Bad Boys 2 and Hot Fuzz. Quote:
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I just want to chime in that in much of my reading of books and millblogs a common theme in house clearing is that fixed bayonets is rarely used as it increases the length of the rifle, and makes it harder to handle in close quarters. I'll have to reaquire that book to quote properly, but author Dick Couch wrote on SEAL Qualification Training in one of his books, The Finishing School - knife combat was discussed, as also what to do when the rifle is grabbed. In very few cases were SEALs encouraged to knife fight the opponent; rather as the opponent grabs the rifle, SEALs were taught to use rifle and opponent's momentum against him to club him to the ground. And then shoot. Quote:
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Given the amount of work that has to go into this... why not just stick to the MP7? With all the bits folded down and a 20-round mag it's not much larger than a Mk. 23. Plus, you don't have to worry about time for making this and/or costs. Again, remember, for all the fancy guns, Butei cannot kill. Quote:
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Mind you the only real justification anyone needs is rule of cool - I'm a bit surprised that my personal views have actually triggered this long... thing. Whatever it is. Nothing is meant personally and no offense is offered. But in addition to Tempest's comment on Aria, I'd like to offer my own summation: in videogame terms, Hidan no Aria OC is less Modern Warfare and more... ... Police Quest. And as I said earlier, this makes for a certain degree of conflict/charecter building with OCs, which all can use: Spoiler for Exotic and Mundane:
BTW, am wondering - are you West Malaysian?
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2011-05-14, 11:40 | Link #93 | |
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Also, do note that he never said anything about things being rubbish and cannot be done, rather that from a storyline perspective, the more you try to explain the more the suspension disbelief falls apart, so just saying rule of cool and letting go works better sometimes. Hell, I'll give an example: Modern Warfare Mission 3, where Soap, Price and Gaz break Nikolai out of captivity. The helicopter coming to extract them is a gray UH-60 Blackhawk in RAF markings, piloted by two pilots wearing uniforms worn by the Russian Spetsnaz and speaking American Accented English. If you think about it too much, you ask questions like "Why are the RAF using Blackhawks when they use Merlins instead, why are they speaking American English, why are two Russian Spetsnaz flying an RAF chopper..." See my point? Quote:
Paraphrasing Massad Ayoub, police officers are issued weapons to protect themselves, but killing is not the first resort; lethal weapons are intended to intimidate the suspect into surrendering, and for self defense, or to protect civillians. The service weapon is a weapon of protection. That is the intention behind a police weapon. It contrasts with a military weapon, which is intended to kill the enemy. The usage depends on the intent of the user. Quote:
... goddamnit I knew I'd forgotten more kit! But yes, rubber rounds are a viable choice of ammunition... though from what I've seen the kids are using ball. Note the Paras in Northern Ireland, who were issued rubber rounds, and apparently so are Air Marshalls in the US. Also, from observations and reading of SWAT tactics, I note that patrol cars with shotguns would tend to have buckshot, but in SWAT usage shotguns are loaded with breaching rounds to breach doors, as an alternative to battering rams. And then there's also nonlethal beanbag rounds for shotguns, as well as the taser shell.
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Certainly, there probably have been moments when Law 9 had to be broken, or close to it (as seen in Ep 5), but that comes down to choice. If you allow me to pick at your stuff a bit, having a railgun-pistol that shoots a .50 or .69 caliber ball doesn't seem very safe. At the same time, I do ponder how the hell does certain someones avoid killing their target, since these certain someones uses a damn M60 machine gun or a S&W 500. These weapons certainly lack a gentle touch. Well, whatever. As long as purposefully-lethal shots are not done, I don't think any Butei would be in trouble if their shot-to-the-shoulder ricocheted off the shoulder blade and bounced into the heart. Here's to hoping no one thinks of bringing along a lasgun or a goddamn bolter.
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If what I write is confusing, ask. Don't deride. Quote:
Besides, the dagger can't reach places just a little longer than the arm. The axe does. Also, a boarding axe adds the capability to hook onto places. Simply put, it is a piece of equipment that has more use than just simply attack - it creates opportunities for more unconventional battle tactics, like every other weapon she owns. Quote:
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Your enemy either let go of the gun or grabs your knife, either way he is technically the one at higher risk because the weapons are both pointed at him. Quote:
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Secondly, even if we are attaching a bayonet, we don't aim downsight when storming a room, it is at hip-fire position. Besides, there isn't a need to aim because most engagements are less than 25m, at semi-automatic you should be able to hit anything you can't stab. Thirdly, there is another knife, either in the form of a multitool or a flip-jackknife. Or the helmet headbutt then bayonet attack. Melee-ing is always recommended because there is no luxury of time to reload inside a house, threats can reach you in less than a second. Quote:
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I will if he uses words like that again. When you gather thistles, expect bristles; don't flamebait by dismissing other people's ideas. Quote:
And I just revealed her entire armoury of Chekov guns. There is no point in creating something when you don't take it seriously!
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2011-05-14, 13:10 | Link #97 |
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On buttei law 9, we must remember that in anime non-lethal shots and cuts are infinitely easier than they are in real life, which makes the rule somewhat easier to use in fiction. Cutting someone with a sword in real life? Better hope you miss any important organs or start dialing for an ambulance. Cutting someone in anime? 'Tis but a scratch.
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...except that you've gotten more of my background than I yours. Also what derision? I'm merely repeating my disclaimer that my background is influencing my current line of thought. (As well as getting out a disclaimer that I'm Malaysian. An aunt of an American penpal of mine once thought I was an American pretending to be someone else to e-stalk her niece, on account of my command of English. Wasn't funny then... now, I can laugh about it.) If anything, I'd thought you'd honestly forgotten my background, so rather than kick you to an earlier post I'd repeat it... ...admittedly I tend to be a rather sarcastic person IRL. Quote:
*shrugs* at the end of the day all improbable weapons must have seemed equally naff until they were eventually shown and proven to be useful. I'd say we'll have to agree to disagree here, based on our differing paradigms. I'm still not convinced - so you'll have to convince me by writing. Quote:
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Though in the end Amdo does custom mods like Kinji's semi/burst/full auto 92FS, so your proposal is not inconceivable. It's just that having spent pretty much my entire life making do with less I'd rather not go through the trouble. But again, this is your OC. It's up to you how you want to write. Us, we're just here to hammer away like iron forges iron. Quote:
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Again, agree to disagree, etc - but the scenario you're mentioning doesn't seem to have come up very often. Something I once read about bayonets is that the idea of fixed bayonets is more often than not a morale booster, fitting into the minds of troops the idea of no mercy, fighting on till the end, etc etc. Police Quest. Not Modern Warfare. Quote:
Also, note that I said "as a general rule." There are always exceptions to the general rule. Privity of contract is upheld as a general rule, but there are various exceptions such as duress, exclusion clauses, etc. As a general rule people's hair does not turn white at puberty. Of my A-Levels class in KK, out of 30 students 5 of them had white hair at the age of 18. (Again, another example of the demonstration of the general rule concept, which is always subject to exceptions.) Quote:
The whole infiltrate and storm the front door and windows was what's normally done by UTK for urban CQB, and then they proceed to the room clearing that's never photographed. From what the local defense mags have revealed generally UTK follows the British and American playbooks: battering ram or breaching shotgun, followed by room clearing with judicious applications of flashbangs, when coming in from the front door; alternatively roof or window insertion. That said, let's be honest - the HnA paradigm is mostly an urban environment, so, again, any other examples you can share? Quote:
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.... it's three AM in the morning. [James May] Cock. [/James May] I'd better hit the rack. ...also... no love for that little snippet? <_<
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By right, they are supposed to carry the packs along because they hold surplus ammunition, though not filled into magazines, they are clipped together. American doctrine seems to be shoot-first talk-later. Not very long term. Quote:
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Besides, the MP5 is quite hard to grab because the other hand already takes up the entire of the handguard. The trooper could easily ventilate the nut playing hide-and-seek round the corner because he had nothing to grab. However, if he is holding a rifle, the terrorist could have grabbed the muzzle. Also, SWAT teams are not limited by the amount of ground they have to cover, the limitations of manpower size, or the standard issue arms soldiers tend to be given. SWAT teams don't have to make do, soldiers do because of a difference in geographical intel. Quote:
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2011-05-14, 15:22 | Link #100 |
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God, that is so tl;dr worthy, but I read it anyway.
I have now found motivation to start translating again, because that is most certainly a better use of time than this. Unless of course, you happen to be creating a character through the first letter of all your sentences? Ytitnbai... I guess not. |
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