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They said he tripped..... But this is ok because some protestors are violent.
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2020-06-05, 03:16 | Link #82 | |||||||||
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For example, USA is less racist now than it was in the 60s. Consider as well that during World War II, FDR sent the Japanese Americans to concentration camps, with many of them not receiving adequate compensation for the wealth and property that had been confiscated from them, yet Japanese Americans now enjoy some of the highest incomes in the US. There's lots of work to do going forward, of course, but I think most of us will agree that the US has come a long way since Jim Crow laws and WWII.I'm happy to wait for data to come out as to how many instances there were of police violence against peaceful protesters, compared to how many instances there were of rioting and looting. Quote:
My family does, as will anyone who is at risk of being looted. Quote:
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I'm aware of Ahok's case and I was disappointed that he didn't win the gubernatorial seat. Nevertheless, wouldn't you also agree that Prabowo would have won this presidential match-up 20 years ago? The fact that 60% of voters didn't vote for him this time is, in my view, something to be celebrated and built on going forward. Quote:
Mark Jacobs responded to the looting of one of his many stores by saying, "Never let them convince you that broken glass or property is violence...property can be replaced, human lives cannot." It's easy for him to say that from his position, but the numerous small business owners who were already suffering from the effects of COVID-19 don't have that luxury. Not that my anecdotal evidence is in any way conclusive on this matter of course, but while we're on the subject, I'll add that my father is the owner of a small business. Losing that factory in the 1998 riots would likely have bankrupted us. Quote:
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As for what happens if Trump loses the election, I have zero worries about that. I fully expect that he'll call up Joe Biden to congratulate him for winning the election, and then go back to making a bunch of twitter posts in all caps. Aside from that, what do you think should be done going forward regarding the looting and rioting, as well as the problems in the police force? Quote:
I'll be very clear though, the conduct of the police officers in Floyd's case was unjustified. The police also should not be given free reign to shut down protests unless it's during curfew hours set by the state governor. Conversely, randomly attacking police officers in retaliation is dangerous, while calling for defunding of the police is counter-productive. Quote:
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2020-06-05, 06:55 | Link #83 |
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What is odd is that both sides of the political spectrum seem to be reading the same signals, but blaming the other side for it.
The Democrats see white supremacist infiltration of the protests as the ones causing at least part of the rioting and looting. They see this as an attempt to keep the nation divided so that Trump can get some kind of justification to remain in office. Either by postponing the election, or throwing out the results (based on claims of fraud). Or martial law even. The Republicans are suspicious of these white rioters as well, but see it as something like a Machiavellian move by the Democratic Party. To what end seems to differ based on who's narrative is being used. One is that the idea is to play the minorities to vote Democrat but enact laws that take away opportunities, than blame it on the Republicans. The other seems to be to use Antifa to continue to destabilize the country to allow some sort of takeover of the government, by creating a Race War. Some have claims that these whites were paid and bussed in. One account claims a guy was being paid off by Soros, though that could be the opinion of the writer's title rather than the guy's actual confession (didn't watch the video since there are too many things happening at once, and its a mix of Facebook and YouTube) However it remains unclear who's paid these people to be essentially professional protesters/rioters (being paid to cause property damage or insight violence). Both sides seem to blame the other for the lot the minorities have. The Democrats basically call the Republicans evil racists, while the Republicans call the Democrats evil and underhanded with the notion that the Democrats are using the minorities while keeping them down and under foot (compliant with the Party Line, so to speak). A think I keep seeing getting batted around is a response to BLM from some Republican voters about other black citizens killed by the rioter or over the weekend before everything went down, but where killed by other blacks. The question being brought up by the Republican voters is, "did their lives not matter because it didn't fit your handler's/party line?" Both sides drag up histories of the other side's Psy-Ops work over the last five or more decades, blaming the other for various nut jobs over the decades, or hiring people to be looters, rioters, or general protesters. The Republicans are highly suspicious of the protesters having "I Can't Breath" black shirts and masks all over the country so quickly, along some reports of convenient pallets of bricks in places where no construction is going on. (Something else about the Democrats supposedly would rather see the country burn than let Trump remain president) Democrats are watching what the Trump administration is going with laws while the riots on underway (which distracts the media, that normally would be all over Trump). There was a move by the DOJ about LGBT+ not being suited to adopt children, and some some of anti-lynching law that has questions on its ridders. The Christians are divided about the President's walk to the nearby church for a photo shoot. Some love it as symbolism of Christian leadership (God is with us types), others call him out for using it only as a political move with no faith involved behind the President's actions. There is conflicting information about the use of tear gas or pepper against the protesters between the White House and the church, though the Bishop is upset by Trump's actions. The Christians that support Trump are offended by the media having a fit over Trump going to a church, while rioters are burning other churches with no care from the media. The Christians that don't support Trump think it is disgraceful for him to use the church is this way (and were surprised the Bible didn't burst into flames). Of course some of the Republican voters are entirely convinced this is another planned event to get Trump out of office. They tend to site a long, seemingly endless string of events set in motion by the Democratic Party to remove him, and claim each new one seems to come about just after the previous one failed to knock Trump out of office (by their wording: since the loss of Clinton, there has been the Russian Hoax, When that failed the impeachment started, when that failed COVID-19 started. and just as that starts to loose traction, George Floyd is killed and Antifa rises up (actually they refer to it as the "George Floyd psy-op/precursor to an Antifa terrorist insurgency.") This sometimes is accompanied by a suggestion that either we will get a massive number of new Democrats with COVID-19 in two weeks, or that COVID-19 wasn't not what the Democrats said it was (remember, these people are nationalist (American First/MEGA)...they not only could care less about the rest of the planet, they don't want to hear about the rest of the planet...so no news from outside...and in many cases, they don't trust the inside news anyway). However some Republicans are speaking out. Either against Trump, or just against the situation as it stands now. President Bush spoke out recently, as have a few Senators and Congressmen. Some religious leaders as well. Other Republicans discount them as being part of the Swamp. The older entrenched Military Industrial Complex politicians and other corrupt bureaucrats whom they see Trump as the one to finally get rid of them and break their hold on American (something they point back to President Eisenhower warning us about in the 1950s). Thus impasses happen as the two sides see the same evidence, yet come to opposing conclusions about what it means, and blame each other over it, since the political spectrum has gotten very sports team like. You are for one team only, and the other one sucks, mentality....or worse. I fear that we may be heading into a situation similar to the 1920s Italy or Germany. But with the extreme Democrats as communist and the extreme Republicans as fascists. The problem is...the whites that are not white supremist in the party (which there are a lot more of than white supremists, some stating that the KKK has maybe 5,000 members, and half of them are FBI agents that infiltrated them to keep watch on them.), have gotten it into their heads that its the Democrats that are the fascists, mostly because they have been drilled that socialism is bad (due to Communism), but have decide that the NAZI's national socialism is what the socialism here is, thus label the Democrats as fascists (rather than communists, which would make more sense ideologically speaking) Which is odd since it isn't the Democrats that have taken the nationalist stance at all, but tend more for the globalist stance (which the nationalist Republicans can't stand at all, since they would rather the US to either be the Super Power, or be Isolationists again, like we use to be) Another this that appears to have happened is the defacing of the Vietnam Memorial in DC. A black marble wall covered with the names of all the Americans that died in the Vietnam War. Add to this the Governor of Virginia has called for the removal of a status of General Robert E. Lee from Richmond, to be placed in storage. This will be removed (without any public vote) due to the the Governor understanding the symbolism of Lee verse BLM. There are people calling it a means of suppressing history (covering up a evil chapter of the Democratic Party). Others of course are upset because they are Confederates at heart. Mind you the Lee family is fine with taking the thing down, since Robert E. Lee did not want statues of himself nor his generals to begin with. Also it seems that Los Angeles will be cutting $100 million from the LAPD budget to redirect them to reinvest in minority communities. Republicans say they are just buying votes. (Also this was long to type at this time at night...I should be sleeping)
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2020-06-05, 07:30 | Link #84 |
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Yes America is better at dealing with racism than it was 50 years ago, given that you probably cannot put the bar any lower than that. If you want to pat yourself on the back for that "achievement", go ahead. The idea that a country should be proud of taking one step forward while simultaneously also taking one backwards is naive to put it very nicely.
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2020-06-05, 08:31 | Link #85 |
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The biggest problem in the US is not it's racist population, what normal racist folks think about someone our something isn't really an issue. People will always differentiate themselves from others by having obsurd opinions or just different opinions. We simply just can't force people to think like we do
The real problem is the systematic racism that puts you into very uncomfortable situations. It's deeply rooted in the U.S system, even though progress has been made compared to how it used to be, it isn't really near the stage where it can be considered "remotely good" Here's an example of how deep it goes: U.S prisons are making profit from having more inmates which automatically makes it a business, which can't be objective because one of it's primary goals is profit. Targeting Afro-American communites, sentencing them to any kind of punishment leads to them not being able to vote and have an impact on the political aspect of society. This is strategic racism. Of course, people who break the law should be punished regardless of their skin color or origin. But it has been proven (not only proven, it is quite obvious if you just look at it) that there are a lot of cases involving people being sentenced for something they didn't do. This might not occur on the same scale as before but it has definately affected different communities to this day. [Putting my tin-foil hat on] Why do you think there are so many illegal drugs being sold and used in the slums? Who put those drugs there? Did the African-American community have laboratories where they could process heroin in larger scales during the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's? Did they have the facilites for that when they couldn't even get a seat on the bus to work? I mean, conspiracy or not this is plain obvious from objective eyes. Spread the drugs within the populace of the African-American community, make the break the law and tadaaaa, they can't vote. (Didn't expect my first post to be this deep, tbh i expected it to be something like "one piece is the best the rest can sit down" but hey, didn't know there were political threads here xD) |
2020-06-05, 09:15 | Link #86 |
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For anyone that would like to see a study on the matter and research based solutions:
https://mobile.twitter.com/samswey/s...55701271732224
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2020-06-05, 10:52 | Link #87 | ||
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And let's not forget the Trump fanatic who sent non-working pipe bombs to leading Democrats and journalists. He got twenty years. There are a lot of wackos in the US and they seem especially numerous on the right. The fact that so many of them are heavily armed disturbs me greatly.
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2020-06-05, 11:11 | Link #89 |
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Exactly, imagine if there wasn't anyone recording that.
All these police brutality that we have seen are just the ones that we know about. The police has been murderous for years, and the blue wall of silence has been protecting them. Even if you're not black or a minority, this is something you learn naturally anyway by being a pet owner.
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2020-06-05, 11:21 | Link #91 | |
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2020-06-05, 12:36 | Link #92 |
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Uuuuiii, that Trump press "conference" (more like statement given he refused to take any questions again) was really yikes. Saying that Floyd would look happily down from heaven on this job rise was so..... wow, like how did he even thought this was an appropriate comment to make about a man who suffered strangulation for 9 minutes before his death?Man, this is just fuel into fire talk here...
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2020-06-05, 12:49 | Link #93 | |
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2020-06-05, 20:02 | Link #95 | |
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BBC has this interesting article:
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2020-06-06, 07:39 | Link #99 |
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On the issue of data, here is a spreadsheet listing incidents of police violence with video links. There are over 300 separate events.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t?usp=drivesdk Maybe someone is compiling data on riots and looting, but I haven't seen one so far.
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2020-06-06, 08:46 | Link #100 |
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Maybe you didn't look at the press conference either. Yesterday wasn't a great day for George Floyd since he cant be with his daughter right now, Yesterday isn't a great day for everybody that we still have a virus that still out there and still over 40 mil people is unemployed right now and Yesterday was only a great day for Trump and his allies with only with Stock Market and Job Numbers (oh the reason why it went down because White unemployment went down while black when up) that still having unemployment rates at 13.3%.
He didn't come up with any ideas or suggestions about dealing with this systematic racism issue or anything like that. So when he made that claim, it pissed me off because he want to think that George Floyd should be smiling with all of this mess going on right now. If I was him, I will be talking to different civil rights leaders (He has John Freakin Lewis in the Congress and the best person to talk to about this) and organization to see what he can do as president to improve this relations. But Nope, he is talking about job numbers and other crap like that. Sorry to make this post alittle bit longer but it is just sad that we have to continue with this and now if nothing is going to be done, it is going to get worst before it gets better.
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