2014-09-24, 00:34 | Link #81 |
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Is it really true that demon Lord has yet to ascend on throne? Right now he has less then 3 years unite demon tribes and prepare infrastructure and logistic for continent scale crusade.Thad would make him very busy and single-minded Maou.
I wouldn't rule out possibility that becoming Maou Is just follow up finding Dragon heart and we don't know how long it took find it Befora he/she made official appearance.
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2014-09-24, 00:43 | Link #82 |
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I'm not saying stop setting up the defense entirely. That's common sense since they might just decide to fight anyway. It's just that he could kidnap a few demons and interrogate them about the Heart and the prospective demon king(feed them a description and see if it rings a bell). If they don't know anything, fine, but he wouldn't lose anything either. Getting rid of either would be the neatest solutions, and he isn't even going to look into it. That seems kind of dumb to me, but I seem to be alone in thinking this.
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2014-09-24, 01:14 | Link #83 |
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Doing that is somewhat reasonable but still carries unnecessary risks
The biggest risk is The demon king finding out that Kail is in demon lands and his reaction to finding this out Remember Kail can't beat the demon king with his current strength and if he dies History will not only repeat itself but actually become worse |
2014-09-24, 01:54 | Link #84 | |
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2014-09-24, 03:26 | Link #88 |
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Except its logically impossible for such a loop to occur. Time travelling sends their memories/soul into their younger bodies, so how can he be the maou and himself at the same time?
Unless the time travel starts going really wonky and Kail somehow clones himself, but then we start getting into paradoxes and I really don't want to go there. |
2014-09-24, 03:26 | Link #89 | |
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Well if you need to sacrifice half of the human continent to send your soul to the past (or parallel timeline), maybe by sacrificing the entire humankind you can send your whole body too. No one said it's impossible in the novel, and author can pull all kind of "magic" if he really want to go that route.
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Maybe later Kyle will do as you say and it'll become an arc of hide and seek, I dunno. By the way, this really bug me : what is Zeeles' gender? Last edited by laon; 2014-09-24 at 04:09. |
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2014-09-24, 05:12 | Link #90 |
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And really this story is him being transported to a parallel universe with him overwriting that world's Kail's soul as explained on how everything branches from an event. Hence why he has a depleated copy of the dragon's heart. All of his old friends are dead and these ones are "new" per-se.
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2014-09-24, 05:25 | Link #93 |
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Just trying to make sense of the whachy logic brain teaser that is time traveling and parallel universe hopping.
Also because the theory of him floating in the thread being in a loop of being a demon lord seems inconsistant. He's using the 3 years to unite the Human kingdoms, not overthrowing the current moderate demon lord which is still alive during this time iirc? There's also the fact that he is in his younger body, not the demon lord.
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By the way, do we know that the dragon heart Kyle got is completely depleted of mana or still have some remain? Quote:
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2014-09-24, 05:47 | Link #95 |
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Though this does come down to the real question. Why? It's a chicken or the egg question.
What started the loop? Why did the demon lord want to redo things? If the death of everyone made Kyle want to restart as a demon lord then how was he able to come up and start the plan even if he did live in the "Prime" world? Most of humanity was dead by then if it was "inevitable" that the war would occur either way. And of course in the beginning it would not have been set up for the war to have been to collect mana, but a regular Humans vs. Demons war.
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2014-09-24, 05:59 | Link #96 |
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My first guess is an ultimate enemy, some god like being that utterly devastated the world. Note that this is different from Demon Lord and he probably threatened both the demon and human side and probably the war with the demon didn't happen in this prime timeline.
We don't know if most humanity is death or not, just that somehow Kyle gained the mean and knowledge to do reset and began the quest to gain enough power to counter him. Now the remaining question to this theory is why didn't the Maou Kyle do it himself, why let innocent Kyle #? do the job for him (since in the loop of New Saga there's no Demon Lord, Kyle will face the true unknown enemy sooner or later). One possible answer is because he feel he's too sinful to carry out the saving, and maybe he left some message in the dragon heart stone telling the truth in 3rd party fashion later. Again this is just a possible theory, since there are probably better answer for the strange event on first chapter (i.e. Why didn't the Demon Lord use Dragon Heart stone to defeat Kyle? He can recharge it anyway and it's better than being dead. The stone is located in place even crawling Kyle could reach from their battle site). Spoiler for Mushoku Tensei Spoiler:
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2014-09-24, 06:36 | Link #97 |
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To be honest it's not COMPLETELY impossible that Kyle is Demon Lord, but right now there is plenty stuff that speak against and NONE for. It might change in future, but right now that theory can't stand against facts.
Bigger issue actually is that your way of thinking is fundamentally wrong, if I should sum your arguments it could be fitted in these two points 1) It could work if everything already established is wrong 2) It could work if we add bunch of elements that weren't even hinted so far. That's what is called writing fanfiction, every argument have to be based on already established facts ( or at least hinted). Also "what if" was never valid counter argument either.
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2014-09-24, 06:41 | Link #98 |
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Since I only read the manga I haven't see any contradicting facts actually.
1) Like what? There is nothing established that contradict with the theory. What we know so far is the truth (demon lord invasion, reset etc) but the truth could be deeper than one could thought to be (who the demon lord is, what's his goal, why the reset happen) 2) The biggest hint is the very first chapter and Kyle occasional monologue about the final battle I've never said that this is the truth or anyone have to believe it, I've engaged with what if with people who are willing to entertain the thought not to "win an argument". Since fanfic is a vague word with vague definition and condition I guess you could use that to almost every discussion about upcoming plot, and selectively use it to call out people and "win the argument", well done. Last edited by laon; 2014-09-24 at 07:01. Reason: edited answer for edited post, should've quoted it |
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2014-09-24, 10:48 | Link #100 | |
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"First chapter" gives some hints, but not about Kail becoming "twisted" multiversal selfmurderer who decide commit genocide because he locked his "reserve source" in drawer of his desk and forgot where he put keys...
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