Gundam Build Fighters Try - Episode 7 Discussion / Poll

[kuroihikari2]

The Destiny in the air would've made absolutely no difference. The BBG had better boosters plus Sekai has no problem treating the air as if it were the solid ground now.

[Dark Wing]

wheres the episode 8 thread people?

[ZeroXSEED]

WTF

It hasn't even aired yet why is there's the need for thread?

[Dark Wing]

oh wait we're on episode 7 right now sorry got the numbers mixed up.

[monster]

Originally Posted by kuroihikari2

The Destiny in the air would've made absolutely no difference. The BBG had better boosters plus Sekai has no problem treating the air as if it were the solid ground now.

That's not a certainty. And even if it was, it would still have been better than trying to block a head on attack, especially if build quality is a concern.

Also, Build Burning treating space as solid ground is irrelevant to Destiny actually trying to dodge.

[kuroihikari2]

Originally Posted by monster

That's not a certainty. And even if it was, it would still have been better than trying to block a head on attack, especially if build quality is a concern.

Also, Build Burning treating space as solid ground is irrelevant to Destiny actually trying to dodge.

You're assuming that the Destiny trying to dodge actually matters.

[monster]

Originally Posted by kuroihikari2

You're assuming that the Destiny trying to dodge actually matters.

You're assuming it doesn't.

And at the end of the day, it's better to show that it at least tries and fail rather than not.

[kuroihikari2]

Originally Posted by monster

You're assuming it doesn't.

And at the end of the day, it's better to show that it at least tries and fail rather than not.

No, I'm not assuming it doesn't. It just didn't. He didn't successfully dodge at all when we've seen from the previous fight that he's adept at it.

A good fighter will land hits despite an opponents best attempts at dodging them. The show doesn't have to rub it in our faces.

[monster]

Originally Posted by kuroihikari2

No, I'm not assuming it doesn't. It just didn't. He didn't successfully dodge at all when we've seen from the previous fight that he's adept at it.

A good fighter will land hits despite an opponents best attempts at dodging them. The show doesn't have to rub it in our faces.

He never attempted to dodge, so of course he would fail at dodging.

[kuroihikari2]

Originally Posted by monster

He never attempted to dodge, so of course he would fail at dodging.

Correction: They never explicitly showed us him attempting to dodge. Probably because it didn't matter and Sekai would've hit him anyway.

Do we really have to be shown "Oh no, I can dodge most attacks but this guy's so good and quick I can't dodge his attacks at all! But really, I tried my best!".

It's not like we've actually seen anyone dodge Sekai's attacks. The best anyone so far could do was block it.

[monster]

Originally Posted by kuroihikari2

Correction: They never explicitly showed us him attempting to dodge.

They don't even show it implicitly.

[Tactics]

Fact is, even Ral admits Destiny is fighting in it's lowest output.
As I repeated before, what're you saying is only possible if Destiny had, at least, normal output. Not the lowest possible output.
Shimon realized that too, that's why he always using the beam cannon together with the beam rifle--Destiny firepower is also weak due to snap-build.

By snap-build, how do you expect even the Wings of Light will work properly just like the original one?
Build Burning clearly had superior movement and mobility compare to a snap-build unit (even the Destiny), Sekai can easily keep the distance close.
Shimon understand it also, that's why instead of dodging and distance himself, he chose to confront directly to ensure maximum damage through his punch.

At this episode, Winning took some beam shots from Kouji's Gunpla, but not even scratched.
At previous episode, Fumina clearly trying her best to evade SRSC's member beam shots. When it splits, Sudou think the beam shot finally hit.

I think that's enough comparison about output differences between well-build and snap-build Gunpla in this series.
If there's no clear output differences like that, Ral won't said Shimon is a fighter that depend on his skill instead of Gunpla.
Once again, what're you saying is only possible if Mamoru's Destiny had, at least, normal output. Not the lowest possible output.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Tactics

Fact is, even Ral admits Destiny is fighting in it's lowest output.
As I repeated before, what're you saying is only possible if Destiny had, at least, normal output. Not the lowest possible output.
Shimon realized that too, that's why he always using the beam cannon together with the beam rifle--Destiny firepower is also weak due to snap-build.

By snap-build, how do you expect even the Wings of Light will work properly just like the original one?
Build Burning clearly had superior movement and mobility compare to a snap-build unit (even the Destiny), Sekai can easily keep the distance close.
Shimon understand it also, that's why instead of dodging and distance himself, he chose to confront directly to ensure maximum damage through his punch.

At this episode, Winning took some beam shots from Kouji's Gunpla, but not even scratched.
At previous episode, Fumina clearly trying her best to evade SRSC's member beam shots. When it splits, Sudou think the beam shot finally hit.

I think that's enough comparison about output differences between well-build and snap-build Gunpla in this series.
If there's no clear output differences like that, Ral won't said Shimon is a fighter that depend on his skill instead of Gunpla.
Once again, what're you saying is only possible if Mamoru's Destiny had, at least, normal output. Not the lowest possible output.

Except this Destiny, even at its lowest possible performance, was still a very good machine, as shown in the two battles.

The problem is that Shimon didn't make as good a use for it in the second battle as he did in the first.

[Key Board]

gunpla strength is determined by how it is assembled

a gundam gunpla is not inherently stronger than a zaku gunpla

[Tactics]

At the first match, the battle is between a long-range fighters and a close-range fighter.
With his experience as a boxer, it's true to keep dodging until he get close enough to the opponents.

In the second match, the battle is between two which naturally a close-range fighters (kempo vs. boxing)
Shimon clearly had better strength, but weaker gunpla; Sekai strength is weaker compare to him, but obviously stronger gunpla.

Not something weird if Shimon decide a head-on between skills instead of dodging against a melee unit with superior movement and mobility;
The opponent is also a black belt in kempo, clearly not an easy opponent to evade especially with Build Burning level of movement and mobility.

[kuroihikari2]

Originally Posted by monster

They don't even show it implicitly.

Because they don't have to.

It's pretty easy to conclude that we have an great dodger and he couldn't dodge. Which means that the enemy was better at landing hits than he was at dodging. It doesn't have to be spoonfed. For the average viewer it even doesn't matter.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Key Board

gunpla strength is determined by how it is assembled

a gundam gunpla is not inherently stronger than a zaku gunpla

Originally Posted by Tactics

At the first match, the battle is between a long-range fighters and a close-range fighter.
With his experience as a boxer, it's true to keep dodging until he get close enough to the opponents.

In the second match, the battle is between two which naturally a close-range fighters (kempo vs. boxing)
Shimon clearly had better strength, but weaker gunpla; Sekai strength is weaker compare to him, but obviously stronger gunpla.

Not something weird if Shimon decide a head-on between skills instead of dodging against a melee unit with superior movement and mobility;
The opponent is also a black belt in kempo, clearly not an easy opponent to evade especially with Build Burning level of movement and mobility.

The Destiny was strong enough to match up with the Build Burning if used correctly, as shown in certain parts of the battle. At any case, facing a stronger gunpla should actually make Shimon more weary of facing him head on.

Originally Posted by kuroihikari2

Because they don't have to.

It's pretty easy to conclude that we have an great dodger and he couldn't dodge. Which means that the enemy was better at landing hits than he was at dodging. It doesn't have to be spoonfed. For the average viewer it even doesn't matter.

Except Shimon was dodging faster attacks in the first battle than Build Burning's kick. So it isn't a case of them not showing that he couldn't dodge. It's a case of them showing he didn't attempt to dodge when he could've.

In fact, rewatching the battle, he did dodge a later attack that was closer. So dodging was not an issue with the gunpla, but with the fighter.

[ZeroXSEED]

It's another case of drama failure at work

Like, if your opponent has enough time to shout their attack YOU will have enough time to dodge.

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by monster

The Destiny was strong enough to match up with the Build Burning if used correctly, as shown in certain parts of the battle. At any case, facing a stronger gunpla should actually make Shimon more weary of facing him head on. Except Shimon was dodging faster attacks in the first battle than Build Burning's kick. So it isn't a case of them not showing that he couldn't dodge. It's a case of them showing he didn't attempt to dodge when he could've.

You seems to completely ignore the enemy.
The enemy here is a melee unit with superior build quality which also lead to superior mobility and movement.
He's skilled also (black belt kempo), it's not like using Destiny correctly (by your language, keep dodging) will keep him in lead.

> Should make him weary.

ROFL.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Tactics

You seems to completely ignore the enemy.
The enemy here is a melee unit with superior build quality which also lead to superior mobility and movement.
He's skilled also (black belt kempo), it's not like using Destiny correctly (by your language, keep dodging) will keep him in lead.

> Should make him weary.

ROFL.

It's not about keeping him in the lead, it's about giving a better performance than he did.

And as I've pointed out above, the episode showed that the Destiny was certainly capable of doing more in that battle.