2011-10-14, 15:49
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It's probably not so much that he's "stronger" (physically) than those zodiacs as he is more clever/adept with his nen abilities. Frankly, some of the zodiacs themselves don't look like they're top-level combat experts either, do they? 
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2011-10-15, 00:38
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I think he could easily remove the restriction on himself (it's his own nen after all), it would just make it so he couldn't use his Chain Jail anymore. He was only so strong so fast because he had that restriction.
And I don't see how Hisoka could possibly be measuring actual skill. There's no way he can know what everyone's particular Hatsu abilities are. It's probably just a general sense of the way they carry themselves and their aura. |
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2011-10-15, 03:02
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2011-10-15, 06:33
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He already trained himself to use the red eyes whenever he wanted. That's how he managed to get the chain around his own heart.
And even with Emperor Time he's still limited by his overall strength and training. All it does is allow him perfect efficiency in each category, not perfect strength in each category. Gon's about 100% reinforcement, but that doesn't mean he could beat the Ant King in an arm wrestling match. Ultimately, strength matters. Chain Jail got around that limitation by applying Zetsu to those caught by it. It prevents them from using their strength at all and is therefore an ultimate counter to anyone at all, since it completely ignores their power. Assuming he can get an opening to hit with it anyway. It's an absurdly powerful ability, which is why it needs so many limitations. It's the only way he stands a chance against the spiders, who have years more experience with nen combat. |
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2011-10-15, 11:15
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Depending on the usage, proficiency and type, they could still be stronger or weaker. In fact, the series has made a point of showing that not all battles are won by higher power (except for the King...) Edit: One other interesting fact, Hisoka was measuring them in numbers, if we assume the numbers were out of 100, then who is he basing the 100 on? Himself? |
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2011-10-15, 15:13
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What amazes me this chapter is Ging and Hisoka, with Hisoka asking for Ging if he's around. I wonder if both of them already met before.
The number Hisoka utters is the percentage of that person on having a chance to oppose him. Even 5%~10% is a big discrepancy with Hisoka prevailing, Hisoka probably improved while he's on the Greed Island, and probably the removal of the Kurapika's nen would take time so he left. The brother that joined Phantom Troupe have his eyes set to kill Killua to gain recognition, while Gon is at 50/50. Base from this chapter, Ging probably calculated or predicted that Hisoka would help Gon. I find Hisoka's shock interesting upon learning about Gon's condition. I expect Kurapica have his other hand in some sort of restriction as well, as the only hand that can defend himself against others that are not involved in Phantom Troupe. |
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2011-10-15, 16:03
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I don't know if he improved that much but it seems natural to improve even a little. And I think 100 is based on him thus anything lower is in sheer power weaker and anything above is probably stronger. I wonder how high Netero would be. btw Your wrong about Kalluto (the phantom troupe brother) he was searching for one of his brothers but it's the one on the picture who is running away. Killua is the heir to the Zoldyck family no way Kalluto, Illumi or Milluki would ever try to kill him. They are cold but family comes first (Biscuit said the same). Also how in the heck did you come up with Ging thinking Hisoka helping Gon? It isn't even implied that he will, he might check up on him though. I find it strange that Kurapika isn't around while the others from his group are. But I do hope he has increased his non Phantom troupe strength. |
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2011-10-15, 16:43
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Kurapika's 100% reinforcement was probably able to match 80% of Uvo's reinforcement power. Uvo wasn't able to bypass Kurapika's guard until he used his strongest attack with all his power. Sure, even at 100% Kurapica can still be weaker than the spiders in individual categories, but the fact that he can use all 5 types at 100% gives him a significant advantage in a 1 on 1 fight against the Spiders. The reason he needs the chain jail is because the spiders move in a group, and he'd need it's utility abilities to capture them and get information from them. |
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2011-10-15, 22:45
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2011-10-19, 02:30
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While we're on the subject of power levels, what is your opinion on the following rankings? They're apparently from the manga info books:
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http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4351/0003oj.jpg http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...22138049_n.jpg Supposedly a gap that is 3 points or more means you're a class higher. Meruem's supposedly a 36 overall. Last edited by Marikina; 2011-10-19 at 06:00. |
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2011-10-19, 04:21
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It's surprising Biscuit is ranked higher than Kuroro and Hisoka. Then again Komugi is a 12, which make sense if you take into account her mental abilities, but her overall combat level is probably closer to 0. I don't think Genthru (bomber guy right?) is anywhere near as strong as Hisoka or Kuroro either. I'm pretty sure Hisoka is a couple classes above Genthru, but the chart places them only 1 point a part.
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