2016-10-28, 10:02 | Link #823 | |
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Though today's Chinese government isn't buying 1953's peace accord anyway. China just isn't pushing it beyond rhetorics because they can't. Besides, to the Chinese regime, Japan is rather useful both politically & economically. - - - - - But Windermere isn't Japan. Heinz actually has power, literal magical power. Moreover, NUN doesn't have a strong presence there at the moment, and the entire sector would fill the void left by the NUN while possibly demand their own versions of justice. Keep in mind that Windermere also possesses little in terms of actual practice value. Then there is the Zentradi, who treats rules like a reference. Even the NUNs knows to stay the hell away when they mobilize en masse. To draw a historical parallel, don't forget what happened to East Germany during Soviet occupation. The latter pretty much did whatever they wanted. So there is that. Now you are Prince Jailbait Ketchup Heinz Aero Windermere, what would you do? - Tak
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2016-10-28, 18:37 | Link #825 | ||
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- Let the neighbouring planets decide whether to remain within the Starwind sector or to remain independent or decide whatever fraction they want to join - Clarify that Roids way was not the way windermere rulership intended to go but have went to by the last events - Clarify that the current NUNs organizational structure has driven windermere to raise the weapon and with the flight recorder data of wrights plane it is confirmed that windermere did not drop the bomb themselve - NUN confirms that they dropped the bomb taking responsibility for the rogue unit and further put rules that avoid actions ordered by the local forces. - install rules that the usage of dimension eaters are only applicable as ultimo ratio - Windermere accepts to not use the mind control technology as this will be marked as illegal same as dimension eaters - refund those who receive mental damage from the mind control - Establish back local trade - allow to share protoculture technologies and and researches - Negotiate talks with Chaos or even hire them - Those remaining with the Starwind Sector merge military forces to and trade liaison officrs with NUN. Shall I continue? Further what can be done as well. Considering Freyja might still live your so called Zentraedis would attack the sector. I would not cut out that Walküre and delta will be send out to support windermere out of 2 reasons: 1.) Freyja is still windermere and she still has ties to friends and families on windermere. Since she loves windermere apple I do not think that she would want that windermere falls. Not because of the government but for the people and the planet itself. 2.) If windermere falls, it might not take long to reach the other planets. In the sectors own interest its better to have windermere as a buffer state. Quote:
H: I could feel the wind of tens of thousands of lives being extinguished. Is this the burden Father had to shoulder? K: It is the fate of those who rule the stars. H: Keith... So everyone's been shouldering this weight? From now on, I'll take part in it as well. K: Yes, your majesty H: But it is not my intention to needlessly spill blood. Now that they have witnessed the power of the song of the stars, I will initiate peace talks K: Your Majesty?! H: I will end this struggle once and for all. Where in this dialogue fit that "the grounds that the Brisingr Cluster belonged to Windermere"? The dialogue is so wide open for interpretations I would say that your logical interpretation is going the opposite way and it's wrong.
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Remember Windermere is economicqally poor. Quote:
It may have not been a hivemind but their whole plan's linchpin is slavery of entire worlds using Var. Quote:
Given at the time Windermere would enslave the galaxy with no regard for freedom and life as in the case on Al Shahal NUNS is justified in deploying MDE as a countermeasure to ensure they don't succeed. Quote:
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Twin: Heinz-sama is working with Walkure? Bogue: Do you want us to forgive them? Heinz: I do not ask that of you. The UN Government must be dealt with eventually. However Roid takes priority. Heinz did not hail NUNS for a ceasefire he only ordered his remaining forces to retreat to Windermere. The threat of the Song of the Stars and Wind as a galactic threat is nullified as the Ruin network was destroyed. Heinz will prepare for siege as their trump card is no more. Problem for them Epsilon abandoned them already. More or less Windermere is screwed. Better to declare unconditional surrender once the fleets come. |
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2016-10-29, 06:14 | Link #828 | |
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Further when Heinz ordered his knights to take down Roid: For the great wind, take down Roid Brehm and protect the galaxy. So there is at least some speeches which speaks against your opinion that Heinz never protested against Roid.
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2016-10-29, 10:01 | Link #829 |
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ReddyRedWolf and Vallen Chaos Valiant, If you become president of super power(NUNS),you possibly become the worse of the all as you agree that nation should nuke other nation out of all existence wilily nilly because you do not trust them as they have nuke like Iran(Windermere) and justified that action that they are rogue nation
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2016-10-29, 10:08 | Link #830 | |
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But let me ask you, what does Windermere need to do to change itself after doing what it had done? Also stop pretending this is only a NUN vs Windermere problem, because it isn't. Forget the NUN, take them out of the picture and Windermere is still screwed. - Tak
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2016-10-29, 10:17 | Link #832 | |
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UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. If you want an analogy, the Allies are like the NUN, except they aren't really there. The Zentradi OTOH... - Tak
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2016-10-29, 10:34 | Link #833 | |
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With Iran nobody wants the Mid-East radioactive as Israel has nukes themselves. With North Korea nobody wants a refugee crisis that will flood China and South Korea. You are the one who doesn't have clue about real world politics. Nukes without saying nuclear has been used since the first series and is the reason why Earth humans survived as a species. Why do you think the Zentradi Main Fleet retreated? Plus Protoculture weapons of mass extinction has been encountered before and conventional weapons and Reaction weapons can't scratch them. Or the fact the stated goal of a medieval people who they uplifted is to enslave all the races of the galaxy and they can do it without hesitation. This means you don't understand the fictional setting of Macross either. |
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2016-10-29, 10:34 | Link #834 | |
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Like how Germany and Japan after WW 2, they did have UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER.
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2016-10-29, 11:54 | Link #835 | |
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The mind control technology was used to bring civil and military personnel under control and with that lowering resistance to their strategic goals. And the goals were to claim the ruins which are amplifiers for the mind control technology. Civil casualties were not that much after windermeres war declaration and those who got killed were mostly military personnel. Further there is hesitation. Heinz has experienced what it means to have super weapon and what deaths it causes. After his conversation with his brother he is not willing to shed blood if neccessary. Well, there you go. There is your hesitation. Heinz is not like his father or his mentor. He is portrayed as a naive youngster with Oni-chan syndrome. Uncondidional surrender in exchange for confirming that they (NUN) dropped the bomb. Sounds fair and square.
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And they were proven right. Hayate's dad had faith that Windermere were good people, but he was wrong. Quote:
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You say Wright was wrong, but he handled right. He had chosen civil lives over fear and military orders. As we discussed earlier if we can credit N.U.N.S. central organization if one of their subdivisions drop a dimension eater. Yes we can. The source is here: http://macross2.net/m3/macrosspedia/...dia-index.html Quote:
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Egads! Ya know what, I am gonna help ya'll out...
First, please forget the Starwind Sector. It is utterly irrelevant at this point. The so-called Starwind Sector was a forced membership that nobody asked for. Quote:
There is just a tiny weeny bit of technicality here... Just as Windermere claimed Chaos members were not protected under the NUN treaty because they were not NUN affiliates, Windermerians are also exempt from said treaty because they declared complete independence! Can you prove that they... don't? - - - - - As King Jailbait Ketchup Heinz Delicious Aero Windermere, he should now: 1. Invite presence of the NUN and propose unconditional surrender via Chaos with the latter acting as a guarantor, and only to the NUN. 2. Provide base of operations for NUNs occupation to act as a strategic foothold for the Brísingamen Sector. Sell that point to the NUN, since Windermere suffered the least collateral damage while other planets within the sector are busy rebuilding. If no viable strategic value is available, make $h!t up! 3. Open unrestricted trade. Tell them Windermere Protoculture apples are best for pie, or something, and stop baking it, its atrocious! 4. Offer base of operations for the Zentradi. Build a friggin mall, call it Milia-mall, and stick a hologram of Minmei smack in the middle of it. 5. Assume all responsibilities. Please don't even try to shove this on a dead guy, it piss people off. Seriously, please don't even try to demand the NUN to apologize for anything. Windermerians aren't like us, they aren't the audience who can view this conflict and count violations at our leisure. They are directly involved, and realistically speaking, they are not in any position to demand. - Tak
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There is just no way any of Windermere's enemies would ever believe the entire blame for the war rests with a guy that Windermere already killed. There are some grains of truth, but not enough to actually shift the blame for the entire conflict. From the outside it would look like Windermere just created a scapegoat to protect their king, and be perceived as an insult to their intelligence.
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