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Blue Reverie · 2006-10-13, 20:14

Well, I managed to resist registering throughout SHnY's run, however it seems that Kanon has done me in! Hi everyone.

Anyways, not much to add, great, amusing episode. Neat to see the things others have caught (most I didn't!) hidden by KyoAni. However, no one mentioned something I noticed. It seems that some of Kyuichi's mannerisms is not the only thing thats come over from SHnY...

Are those two male students in the front who I think they are, or am I seeing things?

toxic_trance · 2006-10-13, 20:17

Here is the comparison of the tree banging scene between 2002 and 2006

Spoiler:

@Blue...Wow...nice observation man...that is really good

orion · 2006-10-13, 20:54

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Originally Posted by Wandering_Youth

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Well that sucks.

Spoiler:

toxic_trance · 2006-10-13, 21:11

Hmmm...k..here are a few more observations...
1)Arent the night dress really same except for Nayuki has maybe yellow patch or somethin

2)Hmm...a mistake i think..as far as i know..Roman numerical 4 = IV, not IIII

Sorrow-K · 2006-10-13, 21:39

I don't think all these extremely subtle possible Suzumiya Haruhi references people are finding are a coincidence... KyoAni is notorious for referencing their own series in other works (surely no one has forgotten Itsuki's "SECOND RAID"). But, there's no question KyoAni have a lot of fun with their series and it transfers to the audience... I, for one, certainly had a lot of fun with all the Haruhi references in this ep.

After two episodes, I'm of the opinion that, even though the massive improvement in animation and general production values is very welcome, the greatest improvement in Kanon 2006 over Kanon 2002 is Kyuuichi. I think bringing a lot of Kyon's wit and down-to-earth energy to Yuuichi's character was the best move they could have made with his character. It's a massive improvement over a character that is, in hindsight, a tad stale and fills a rather reactive observer-ish role.

I did find it a bit bizarre that Shiori didn't try to hide her <insert spoiler here> during the scene where they were picking her stuff up. One of the strengths of the first Kanon series was that the foreshadowing was incredible. You couldn't help but admire how clever, yet subtle the foreshadowing was in the first series while watching it a second time through. I find it odd that they'd try to temper any of it, unless they're planning on a brand new set of plot-twists, in which case we should expect a very new plot progression down the road in this series.

Skane · 2006-10-13, 22:16

Well, there was foreshadowing in the 2nd Episode, but of other things.

Spoiler for minor spoilers, relatively safe to read:

Spoiler for major spoilers, avoid if you want to maintain the element of surprise:

Cheers.

IRJustman · 2006-10-13, 22:37

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2)Hmm...a mistake i think..as far as i know..Roman numerical 4 = IV, not IIII

That's actually not all that uncommon. My dad had a wind-up wall clock he brought over from Korea while he was on TDY while serving in the USAF which had "IIII" instead of "IV" for "4". I've seen these elsewhere as well.

--Ian.

SkyDragon · 2006-10-13, 23:02

That is why I love this show. Key kept all the characters from Air and made a new storyline. I'm looking forward to more episodes.

Sorrow-K · 2006-10-13, 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skane

Well, there was foreshadowing in the 2nd Episode, but of other things.

Spoiler for minor spoilers, relatively safe to read:

Spoiler for major spoilers, avoid if you want to maintain the element of surprise:

Cheers.

It just seems to me that the slight changes towards the beginning are signalling massive changes towards the end. Whether they'll be good or bad changes, time will tell. All part of the early-days speculation, I suppose

Catgirls · 2006-10-13, 23:32

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Originally Posted by Blue Reverie

Are those two male students in the front who I think they are, or am I seeing things?

They are who you think they are.

houkoholic · 2006-10-13, 23:36

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Originally Posted by Wandering_Youth

Nope, she died in the game from her illness.

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Kaoru Chujo · 2006-10-14, 00:35

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Originally Posted by toxic_trance

2)Hmm...a mistake i think..as far as i know..Roman numerical 4 = IV, not IIII

As IRJustman says, this is not a mistake. That IIII is the traditional Roman numeral for clocks, whereas IV is/was used in most other contexts. Fuller info than anyone wants to know in Wikipedia.

But please keep this close observation up, everyone. This is fabulous.

Skane · 2006-10-14, 01:07

Some scenes that brought a smile to my face,

..) Yuuichi: "Goddamit, SHUT UP!!!"
The high-pitched urasai was hilarious.

..) Yuuichi: "Is it this cold everyday?"
Nayuki: "Today's a warmer day."
Yuuichi: "I'm returning to my parents' house."
Nayuki: "Ah, you can't."

..) Yuuichi's facial expression and exclamation when he and Ayu are in mid-air.

..) Yuuichi: "All I've done since I got here is run."

..) The part where Ayu & Yuuichi ask each other where they are, and the wind blows.

Cheers.

kvnphm1 · 2006-10-14, 01:41

But where my Air cast cameo? Kanon managed to sneak into an episode of Air so why can't Air do the same?

Skane · 2006-10-14, 01:41

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Originally Posted by kvnphm1

But where my Air cast cameo? Kanon managed to sneak into an episode of Air so why can't Air do the same?

Do packet drinks count?

kvnphm1 · 2006-10-14, 01:50

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Originally Posted by Skane

Do packet drinks count?

At least give me the crow =(

Anyone notice Yuuichi score the same seat as Kyon. There must be something magical about that 2nd to last seat by the window here.

Thelastguardian · 2006-10-14, 01:54

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Originally Posted by houkoholic

Spoiler:

Blue Reverie · 2006-10-14, 02:02

Man all these spoiler boxes are soooo tempting for someone who hasn't seen the first series nor played the game (I imported it in hopes of the patch, almost didn't start watching this but a friend convinced me).

Minoto · 2006-10-14, 02:14

I'm disappointed...this episode did have some true LOL moments (my favorites were Yuuichi shaking Nayuki awake, and of course the jam) but overall, the pacing just seemed off. Even the timing within individual scenes was weird...take Shiori's introduction as an example: in the Toei version, Ayu smacks into the tree; snow falls immediately and buries her; and simultaneously, there's a muffled shriek or scream off to the left. A few seconds later, it cuts to the image of Shiori down on the ground, an obvious result of the snowfall caused by Ayu.

In the new version, Ayu runs into the tree, but nothing much happens; she and Yuuichi talk for much longer; THEN Shiori appears on the ground, and Yuuichi blames Ayu for it, but the whole linkage of cause and effect that was so evident before is entirely absent now.

I've been looking forward to this ever since I first heard it was being remade; why am I not enjoying it more? I can't fault KyoAni's art or animation; it's definitely beautiful...but so far, it seems a little hollow, somehow.

DanielSong39 · 2006-10-14, 02:16

Another slow episode; KyoAni is certainly pacing themselves. Seemed like a rather patchwork job; it set up much more than it delivered - let's see if the pieces fit together by the end.

So far this adaptation has me rooting for Kaori; she seems to be the most distinctive among the female characters so far. Not sure whether this was the intended effect, however.

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2006-10-13, 20:14	Link #61
Blue Reverie Rank-and-file poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Age: 39	Well, I managed to resist registering throughout SHnY's run, however it seems that Kanon has done me in! Hi everyone. Anyways, not much to add, great, amusing episode. Neat to see the things others have caught (most I didn't!) hidden by KyoAni. However, no one mentioned something I noticed. It seems that some of Kyuichi's mannerisms is not the only thing thats come over from SHnY... Are those two male students in the front who I think they are, or am I seeing things? Last edited by Blue Reverie; 2006-10-13 at 21:04.

2006-10-13, 20:17	Link #62
toxic_trance ~Anpan~ Artist Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Yuri Land Age: 37	Here is the comparison of the tree banging scene between 2002 and 2006 Spoiler: 2002 version 2006 version @Blue...Wow...nice observation man...that is really good

2006-10-13, 21:39	Link #65
Sorrow-K Somehow I found out Join Date: Feb 2006 Age: 40	I don't think all these extremely subtle possible Suzumiya Haruhi references people are finding are a coincidence... KyoAni is notorious for referencing their own series in other works (surely no one has forgotten Itsuki's "SECOND RAID"). But, there's no question KyoAni have a lot of fun with their series and it transfers to the audience... I, for one, certainly had a lot of fun with all the Haruhi references in this ep. After two episodes, I'm of the opinion that, even though the massive improvement in animation and general production values is very welcome, the greatest improvement in Kanon 2006 over Kanon 2002 is Kyuuichi. I think bringing a lot of Kyon's wit and down-to-earth energy to Yuuichi's character was the best move they could have made with his character. It's a massive improvement over a character that is, in hindsight, a tad stale and fills a rather reactive observer-ish role. I did find it a bit bizarre that Shiori didn't try to hide her <insert spoiler here> during the scene where they were picking her stuff up. One of the strengths of the first Kanon series was that the foreshadowing was incredible. You couldn't help but admire how clever, yet subtle the foreshadowing was in the first series while watching it a second time through. I find it odd that they'd try to temper any of it, unless they're planning on a brand new set of plot-twists, in which case we should expect a very new plot progression down the road in this series. __________________ .:The Nihon Review:.:Ikoku Meiro no Croisée:.:Tamayura: Hitotose:. .:Behind The Nihon Review:.:Understanding Guilty Crown’s Failure:. .:MAL:.:Twitter:.

2006-10-13, 22:16	Link #66
Skane Anime Snark Join Date: May 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 41	Well, there was foreshadowing in the 2nd Episode, but of other things. Spoiler for minor spoilers, relatively safe to read: They foreshadowed the places where Yuuichi will meet the other girls, like when he looked out of the window and saw the tree blockpot, or when he discovered the eating mat at the top of a stairwell. The dog that went for the taiyaki will be seen again, and has links to two of the main girls. Spoiler for major spoilers, avoid if you want to maintain the element of surprise: - Ayu not having her wallet is a clue to her current status. - Yuuichi learns that Ayu is the same age as him, but as he points out, she looks much younger than she is, and this is again, another clue to her current status. Cheers. __________________ Hearthstone Battletag: Skane#1425 [Can't GIF This], [Jail's House of Rock], [Kanon In The Snow], [She Ain't Dead Yet... She's In Quantum], [She Stabs] Founder of "The Cult of Psycho-Moe", Member of "ARIA the Social Group" & the "Belkan Saint Church".

2006-10-13, 21:11	Link #64
toxic_trance ~Anpan~ Artist Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Yuri Land Age: 37	Hmmm...k..here are a few more observations... 1)Arent the night dress really same except for Nayuki has maybe yellow patch or somethin 2)Hmm...a mistake i think..as far as i know..Roman numerical 4 = IV, not IIII

2006-10-13, 23:02	Link #68
SkyDragon Addicted To Anime Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada	That is why I love this show. Key kept all the characters from Air and made a new storyline. I'm looking forward to more episodes.

2006-10-14, 01:07	Link #73
Skane Anime Snark Join Date: May 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 41	Some scenes that brought a smile to my face, ..) Yuuichi: "Goddamit, SHUT UP!!!" The high-pitched urasai was hilarious. ..) Yuuichi: "Is it this cold everyday?" Nayuki: "Today's a warmer day." Yuuichi: "I'm returning to my parents' house." Nayuki: "Ah, you can't." ..) Yuuichi's facial expression and exclamation when he and Ayu are in mid-air. ..) Yuuichi: "All I've done since I got here is run." ..) The part where Ayu & Yuuichi ask each other where they are, and the wind blows. Cheers. __________________ Hearthstone Battletag: Skane#1425 [Can't GIF This], [Jail's House of Rock], [Kanon In The Snow], [She Ain't Dead Yet... She's In Quantum], [She Stabs] Founder of "The Cult of Psycho-Moe", Member of "ARIA the Social Group" & the "Belkan Saint Church".

2006-10-14, 01:41	Link #74
kvnphm1 Member Join Date: May 2004	But where my Air cast cameo? Kanon managed to sneak into an episode of Air so why can't Air do the same?

2006-10-14, 02:02	Link #78
Blue Reverie Rank-and-file poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Age: 39	Man all these spoiler boxes are soooo tempting for someone who hasn't seen the first series nor played the game (I imported it in hopes of the patch, almost didn't start watching this but a friend convinced me).

2006-10-14, 02:14	Link #79
Minoto Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 52	I'm disappointed...this episode did have some true LOL moments (my favorites were Yuuichi shaking Nayuki awake, and of course the jam) but overall, the pacing just seemed off. Even the timing within individual scenes was weird...take Shiori's introduction as an example: in the Toei version, Ayu smacks into the tree; snow falls immediately and buries her; and simultaneously, there's a muffled shriek or scream off to the left. A few seconds later, it cuts to the image of Shiori down on the ground, an obvious result of the snowfall caused by Ayu. In the new version, Ayu runs into the tree, but nothing much happens; she and Yuuichi talk for much longer; THEN Shiori appears on the ground, and Yuuichi blames Ayu for it, but the whole linkage of cause and effect that was so evident before is entirely absent now. I've been looking forward to this ever since I first heard it was being remade; why am I not enjoying it more? I can't fault KyoAni's art or animation; it's definitely beautiful...but so far, it seems a little hollow, somehow.

2006-10-14, 02:16	Link #80
DanielSong39 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Another slow episode; KyoAni is certainly pacing themselves. Seemed like a rather patchwork job; it set up much more than it delivered - let's see if the pieces fit together by the end. So far this adaptation has me rooting for Kaori; she seems to be the most distinctive among the female characters so far. Not sure whether this was the intended effect, however.