2006-02-07, 20:00 | Link #61 | |
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I am from the same religion. And the same religion gives one of the highest importance to the protection of other's rights. Bin Ladin and etc. represents Muslims/Islam as much as Hitler represents the Christians/Christianity. |
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2006-02-07, 20:03 | Link #62 | ||
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Now don't get me wrong, I know the bastards who killed, Margaret Hassan, or Ken Bigley etc are pure evil extremists and they do not represent the majority of the Muslim peoples. But I don't understand how they can hide behind their religion and say what they do is just and holy. It's bullshit! I just don't understand... Quote:
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2006-02-07, 20:14 | Link #63 | |
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And let me clarify one thing. Understanding Islam is no easy matter. Even the Professor level people, who have spend tens of years on the old language - connection between each part of Quaran, may not reach the same conclusion. So, it is very easy to abuse what is written there. I believe the words to explain this is context based content. If you ignore the context and try to decipher the content, the conclusion you can reach can be very much different than what is actually meant there. Reaching a solution is not very easy. Unless the majority of Muslim people become well-educated, the problem will continue to be there. |
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2006-02-07, 21:16 | Link #65 |
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Im all in all for religion, but sometimes it can get too out of hand, where they literally abuse it. Im 100% serious, in Saudi Arabia, the beginning of the new Pokemon sensation was too much for them to handle, so they used up any excuse to get rid of them, saying that they were created by Jews and *Bla* blah blah. I'm like "WTF, its from Japan, how in Gods name is that even logical".
There was even a stipulation attacking Coca Cola and PEPSI Co, which I find very pathetic. Apparantly with Coca Cola, with its official font, if you flip the Coca Cola backwards, like aloC acoC. APPARANTLY, it reads in Arabic, which says "La Mohammed, La Mekkah" which translates to "No Mohammed, no Mekkah. Interesting no?. While Pepsi, oh this is interesting, is an anygram for "Pay Every Penny to Save Israel". -_- Need I say more. Im just saying that there are these cases that makes me sick, cause it shows that people can't think for themselves. I love Islam, I respect, and I follow it to death, but this is just too much. Hopefully things will calm down later and lightning won't strike twice. Lina: LOL, that is so how I think of the situation too, with the first cartoon. |
2006-02-07, 21:22 | Link #66 | |
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The way to express the stereotype of militant extremists offends "not only" the militant extremist that are already there and ready to use their power by using this another excuse "but also" the people who are against militant extremists. Consider it this way. You know that scorpions are dangerous. Despite the dangers of getting close to them, you go to their nest and try to play with them. However, this play is understood as provocation by them, and they attack you. Now, were you expecting them to not attack you because you were just playing with it and it was just fun for you? |
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2006-02-07, 21:25 | Link #67 | |
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Also if you suicide bomb, it really does not mean you will go to heaven. You have to complete the five pillers of islam, that is the ultimate goal of a muslim. |
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2006-02-07, 21:59 | Link #69 | |
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A more accurate, though still poor, analogy would be; you're doing 65 mph on a road where that's the speed limit. A cop sees this from a parallel road and writes you a ticket for breaking that road's speed limit.
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2006-02-07, 22:30 | Link #70 | ||
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And the problem is not about being a taboo as I mentioned earlier. Because if I am not mistaken Prophet has been portrayed many times before in many western countries. Non-muslim people are free to do so as they are not bounded by Islamic traditions (I believe it is not a rule but something used to prevent people going back to early times and use Prophet's illustrations as a means of worshipping since Prophet is only a messenger. So, it can be re-evaluated). And, as far as I know there weren't any problems. But, this time, it has reached to the point of insult. Quote:
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2006-02-08, 03:59 | Link #72 |
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I also feel that the Muslims are SERIOUSLY overreacting here. Fine, be offended, it's understandable, but protest peacefully or draw your own cartoons or whatever. Do not burn embassies! Some have even been killed in clashes between frenzied protesters and the police!
There are many fanatic Christians out there who I think are utterly nuts, but they still haven't killed anyone or destroyed anything even though South Park makes fun of Jesus every week on TV. People take religion way too seriously. I wish religions would one day dissapear completely because they only cause problems. How many more will have to die or otherwise suffer because of something as silly as religion? |
2006-02-08, 04:55 | Link #73 | |
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2006-02-08, 14:53 | Link #74 | |
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Like Archuka said, it was insulting and a negative response is expected (from others than muslims as well), but this reaction is going way too far. The islamic fanatics have drawn the spotlights from the cartoonists and upon themselves.
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2006-02-08, 15:10 | Link #75 |
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Putting insulting element aside, it's not big deal to display the face of holy figure. Isn't the intention of hiding face is to prevent idol worship. It may sound ironic.
The true believer of any faith would not be affected by idol worship, whether seeing faces or not. I heard from a Farsi friend that there are not two versions of Mohammad's face being drawn. Some westerners actually saw Mohammad in person. The picture of him looked like Negro. There were another picture of him drawn by Arabs. I don't know how it could happen. He looks like Cacausian in their painting. I had some doubt about his explanation, but my research havn't prove it. I only found this picture. Spoiler:
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2006-02-08, 18:02 | Link #76 | |
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Apparently the people in those really *sick* demonstrations don't know of that rule either when they demand that all Europeans should be eradicated As someone else already said, they would've all right to be offended if someone had sprayed those onto a mosque (or other muslim installations), but certainly not when they appear in a secular western newspaper which cannot be held to follow the muslim principles. If they're that easily offended, they could've done their own counter-cartoons, that would've certainly been ok. Bring some stuff about Jesus screwing Maria or whatever. Fine. But these demonstrations alone already that are crying for blood are definitely *insane* Going even farther and viciously burning down embassies shows that you want to live up to the image of the typical aggressive muslim terrorist and want to prove it true in every point |
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2006-02-08, 18:09 | Link #77 | ||
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Siimple the embassies would still be there, if the cartoon images were not even brought up, no riots would even happen. All you can say is that the whole disaster started with the cartoons, and got worse and worse.
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here you go, The fact is that it is a major sin to kill yourself. Quote:
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2006-02-08, 18:26 | Link #78 | |
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2006-02-08, 18:29 | Link #79 | |
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I see you have first hand experience concerning islamic terrorism and the arab-israeli conflict please stop mentioning jewish poeple since you obviously have little or no clue, ofcourse this isnt the topic. You seem to have been misdirected for some reason Jesus cant be shown screwing Maria since they are two important holy figures in the Koran. Poeple like you make fine protestors. |
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2006-02-08, 18:44 | Link #80 | |
The Hawqman
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well here is a news article that states that both sides are wrong. Really im going to support this article. In my opinion i think it was quite foolish for the Danish to publicize the article, and then again, Neither should we Kill. Really if you guys were Muslims you guys would really understand how serious of a matter the cartoons are. |
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