2004-10-14, 15:20 | Link #61 | |
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2004-10-14, 16:55 | Link #62 | |
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2004-10-14, 17:18 | Link #63 | |
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Oddly, I don't know anyone from A-F that was in NEF, but that doesn't mean there wasn't anyone. I was a pretty new member of A-F at the time. |
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2004-10-14, 17:21 | Link #64 |
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Basically what NeverRamza said. Many people in the North American anime circles began in fansubs actually. Obviously there are a whole spectrum of "fansubbers" from DVD rippers and licensed anime subbers, all the way down to those who only translate their personal copy they have the R2 DVD for and never distribute it.
I'm sure they have their own personal translator tests just like alot of fansub groups have, so I don't know exactly how much it counts. I'm also not exactly sure what the legal issues are behind watching something and creating a translation of it as long as you aren't selling it. At any rate it shows that you are familiar with translating off of digital audio I guess. |
2004-10-15, 00:33 | Link #67 | |
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Been following fansubs for awhile, it's also weird how everyone in many of the fansub groups of before progressed. For instance, crustol was an editor for Anime-Kissaten, now worldy famous translator. Also, many members of the labeled "shitty" groups of before are now part of groups that are considered high quality. I still remember babyneko too, I remember loae getting all worked up when someone pointed out babyneko did her 100something episode translation. Loae always had to point out he did far more LOL. I also remember all the drama with babyneko...but thats whole different story. |
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2004-10-15, 01:32 | Link #68 |
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Was babyneko a translator for a group? Because for the life of me I can't remember them at all. At any rate I don't really know anything about devilray before E-F, except that he formed the group.
On an unrelated note, I find Japanese a very enjoyable language. It is very structured and doesnt have all of the bullshit that Spanish has as far as verb and noun endings goes. I like being able to leave out parts of the sentences that are obvious to the person to which you are speaking to. |
2004-10-15, 02:16 | Link #69 |
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I believe that AI was formed after most of those groups... and nE-F's t/l was Zeruel iirc who was the former E-F t/l. We really need someone who was around back in the days when E-F was on eliteorbit to get more clarification as to what happened back then.
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2004-10-15, 03:25 | Link #70 | |
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2004-10-15, 05:59 | Link #71 | |
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If you want to understand the conflict between the original groups, you have to know a bit of the goofy-ness that led up to it. This is assumed factual, it was discussed by numerous people including devilray in the a-f-a rev. 2 document. #animehelp was led by kinkin, a korean boy pretending to be a girl and gaining followers in this fashion. For assorted reasons, kinkin's followers began to depart, and kinkin himself drew the ire of the larger community. Despite this, he still had some followers, he did until his true identity was revealed to them. devilray and some others went on to form e-f slightly after the whole debacle. Even in feb. 2001, many months after the whole thing had blown over, devilray recalls his role and how (he believes) it still affects the politics between the different groups (see the a-f-a rev. 2 for specifics). He tries to form a group called the a-f-a with the stated purpose to bring about some civility in group relations. Even at this point, e-f is in its prime, they have several good productive months left. Some groups were excluded from the a-f-a, they were never asked to sign at all. In the end, the a-f-a itself was of little import. IMO it was more a testament to the older groups unwilling to acknowledge the changes to the environment -- the new 'order'. You have to understand that _everything_ is questionable. Someone other than me will probably give you a whole different pespective/story. People remember what is interesting to them. I think e-f has the most interesting story, I remember the specifics of #animefactory and others and none were as interesting as the #animehelp intrigue that led to it, or the irc personalities themselves. |
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2004-10-29, 20:11 | Link #73 |
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Well..the oldest fansubbing group isnt E-F, nether is it A-F
Kinda clsoe though, but there was a group alot earlier then them. UpTownAnime I had their DBZ subs when RM just came out ^_^. Good old 10mb RM episodes on my real player 2. I herd UpTownanime did vcr subs before, but I cant coinfirm that since i haven't seen it. On note UpTownAnime disbanded 3 or 4 years ago... |
2004-10-29, 21:24 | Link #75 |
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As fascinating as that is, it's irrelevant to the topic. The topic is asking who the oldest -online- digisubbing group is. You just mentioned what's probably not a very early VHS subber. (VHS fansubs far predate DBZ, I believe.)
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2004-10-29, 21:51 | Link #76 |
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I had a copy of Grandoll in RM format by "WTF Anime" (not the same guys who are around now) and it was fully digital. Captured off LD, edited on a local TV station's DVS and placed to CD. The date on the CD is November 1997 (Grandoll was released in Japan in Agusut of that year)
Since the guy who did it, Mikhail (now of Black Bra) got the idea from other people he met on BBS' full digisubbing must be older than 1997. sorry. I was just corrected. The format was redone to .RM a few years later. I have no clue what the original format was but it would have likely been something amiga-related. I've never used an amiga. |
2004-10-29, 22:15 | Link #77 | |
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2004-10-29, 22:55 | Link #78 |
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I said I saw DBZ RM's by UpTownAnime, they did other stuff as well but i didnt care about them. All i wanted was the dbz eps for music videos.
UpTownAniem is older then anidb, if they did something 1 month ago, it was prob not them, it could be an old release or a fragment fo the group thats left. |
2004-10-29, 23:56 | Link #79 | |
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2004-10-30, 09:10 | Link #80 |
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Yes, they disbanded while doing inu yasha(I watched their inu yasha eps), but they ended before episode 100. So they have been disbanded for atleast 2 years. I don't remebr the exact day it was dibanded. But ti is the oldest group by many refrences.
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