High School DxD BorN - Episode 1 Discussion / Poll

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by Benigmatica

Now you're making me cautious on this series... I don't want Highschool DxD anime series to end in a whimper!

On the other hand, I was wonder if "BorN" really meant "Breasts or Nipples"? Also, seems that Rias-sempai wants Issei to get noticed on her feelings, yet he can't thanks to being jilted by Raynale back in Season 1.

It's not official, the fandom just started saying it meant that as a joke. But, again we're talking about DxD here, so it's more than possible.

[RpR1337]

Originally Posted by jopjopjop

How about try reading the novels again. You're crying about the foreshadowing when it is also from the novels.

Many times in the novels that they had a scene where Issei and Rias are thinking about their specific problems. Don't act as if this came out of the blue.

Yup, you should go and read the novels again as well.
The problem regarding Raynare never even got a mention before Volume 10, so it's not foreshadowing, but whacking the first third of volume 10 in the face, which was nice development at that time. At least I like to think about it that way.

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

And Diodora appeared in Volume 5 in the meeting of the Young Devils, he just didn't stand out much to Ise compared to Sairaorg and that Glaysia-Lebolas guy.

Yeah well, true enough, although the point is that he never approached Asia in Volume 5, since that basically makes up the whole plot of Volume 6. Go watch the next episode preview.

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

Did they remove anything important that can't be put later on? No. So just stop whining about how this isn't your ideal adaptation.

Ah yea, and this ... I'd just like to add one thing, good sir ... I'm not whining. I'm raging. And I'll happily admit that.

Well, on another note, my basic problem is that they don't intend to change everything around for a better script, a more sound and logical path of the story, to fill in any remaining plotholes, or any intention of the sort. They're doing it to make four Volumes fit into a one-cour season.
Think about it this way - the later CoD games were only portable to the old PS3, if FoV (Field of View) was reduced to 60, down from 130-140. Reason was simple: old hardware, couldn't handle the new software. It doesn't mean that we get a bad rap from the game, we just literally aren't able to see a good half and some more of it. Same principle. A one-cour season is 'old hardware' for a four-volume spanning story, and so descends the 'dumbing down'. THAT is what I don't like.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by RpR1337

The problem regarding Raynare never even got a mention before Volume 10, so it's not foreshadowing, but whacking the first third of volume 10 in the face, which was nice development at that time. At least I like to think about it that way.

Except that when it came up later, it was supposed to have been there all along. So... what does it hurt by ACTUALLY bringing it up now? Nothing. It's been stated over and over that it won't be resolved, but this should at least shut up the people who think Issei's just a dense harem idiot instead of having a legit reason not to be tapping every girl around him.

Also, holy crap guys, what's with name dropping spoilers like they're nothing? If you want to discuss spoilers, there's a season 3 thread in the manga subforum. Take that shit out of here.

Originally Posted by RpR1337

Ah yea, and this ... I'd just like to add one thing, good sir ... I'm not whining. I'm raging. And I'll happily admit that.

Raging and whining are the same thing.

Originally Posted by RpR1337

Well, on another note, my basic problem is that they don't intend to change everything around for a better script, a more sound and logical path of the story, to fill in any remaining plotholes, or any intention of the sort. They're doing it to make four Volumes fit into a one-cour season.

So somehow, you've seen the scripts for the whole season well enough to denounce it for not storyboarding properly, yet think they're doing four volumes instead of the three they're actually doing?

Take off your rage goggles and calm the heck down. If you're really that mad, just stop watching.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by RpR1337

Yup, you should go and read the novels again as well.
The problem regarding Raynare never even got a mention before Volume 10, so it's not foreshadowing, but whacking the first third of volume 10 in the face, which was nice development at that time. At least I like to think about it that way.



Yeah well, true enough, although the point is that he never approached Asia in Volume 5, since that basically makes up the whole plot of Volume 6. Go watch the next episode preview.



Ah yea, and this ... I'd just like to add one thing, good sir ... I'm not whining. I'm raging. And I'll happily admit that.

Well, on another note, my basic problem is that they don't intend to change everything around for a better script, a more sound and logical path of the story, to fill in any remaining plotholes, or any intention of the sort. They're doing it to make four Volumes fit into a one-cour season.
Think about it this way - the later CoD games were only portable to the old PS3, if FoV (Field of View) was reduced to 60, down from 130-140. It doesn't mean that we get a bad rap from the game, we just literally aren't able to see a good half and some more of it. Same principle.

He actually approached her at the end of Volume 5.

Regarding Raynare, it is foreshadowing. The fact it was barely mentioned before Volume 10 is not a good thing. The first time I read it I was like, "WTF!? That bitch from the first Volume is the reason he didn't make a move until now?" DxD is written from ISE'S perspective, it's his head, we get to see every. single. thought. he. has. Such traumatic memories should have been brought up to his mind a lot more often, especially when the girls tried to get closer to him.

And they're going to do 3 Volumes, not 4, I have no idea where you got that from.

I don't have a clue about this CoD stuff either.

[RpR1337]

Yup, okay, three Volumes it is. Actually calculated in the SS volume. W/e.

GDB, as I said, I didn't scream bloody murder because not everything went the way 'it was supposed to'. Content changing is a one-stop route to making a myriad of problems. For example, if you remember that one movie called Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.

Go watch it again if it doesn't ring a bell. Go for every detail, the last speck of dialogue, and when the movie ends, start wrecking your brain on how the hell Remus knows how the Map works. It's just basically an earth-shaking development ... oh yeah, they forgot to mention that one.

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I generally hate plot twisting in adaptations, and that's why I'm raging. I believe the reason adaptations are generally considered crappy imitations of the actual content is partly due to said plot twisting. And as for that, I'm not open to discussion - it's my personal view, my take on things. You don't have to accept it either, so fire away.

Also, just to end the whole gore and violence: what I reacted to at first, was Imperial getting the whacks for his negative rating. Isn't this topic supposed to be where you 'rate and comment'? Cause' if it's not, then it's my bad, sorries.

[GDB]

Prisoner of Azkaban movie was fine. The one that was bad was Goblet of Fire.

And if you're not open to discussion on it, then why bring it up? This is a discussion board, not a blog. And Imperial is getting "the whacks" (I like that term) because he's posted nothing but negative statements about slews of shows for at least the entirety of the Winter season, if not before that, while still continuing to watch them. All while calling DxD a masterpiece. And then he comes in and trashes DxD.

[The Green One]

In any thread/forum where one expresses their opinions about a topic, that leaves themselves open to others reactions of said opinion. This knee jerk reaction to any sort of change is something I find ridiculously narrowminded. It's one thing if it runs it's course and is still not liked, but to utterly rejected it when it's just barely started? I'm sorry but that's just stupid. It's ridiculous. I know that it's inevitable and no show will be universally loved and accepted. It just will not happen. Just the utter refusal to even consider change just personally boggles me and is something I cannot personally accept. This is merely my own two cents.

[human6861]

It seem like the anime beat the manga so far , i image uncle Tannin more like 4 leg dragon like great red instead of demon stand on 2 legs

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by RpR1337

I generally hate plot twisting in adaptations, and that's why I'm raging. I believe the reason adaptations are generally considered crappy imitations of the actual content is partly due to said plot twisting. And as for that, I'm not open to discussion - it's my personal view, my take on things. You don't have to accept it either, so fire away.

What Plot Twist are you talking about? There was nothing surprising enough to be called a plot twist in this episode as far as I noticed.

If it's the rearrengement of the events, it was stated weeks, if not months ago by the studio and the author stated there'd be changes to fix the flow of the story, so yeah, no surprises there.

@GDB: What? That's just... what.

[RpR1337]

Originally Posted by GDB

Prisoner of Azkaban movie was fine. The one that was bad was Goblet of Fire.

Personally, I'd like to forget about anything after Chamber of Secrets though. I'd say I didn't like PoA either, but if you did, that's obviously another opinion, so I won't criticise you about it.

Originally Posted by GDB

And if you're not open to discussion on it, then why bring it up? This is a discussion board, not a blog.

I didn't say "I'm not open to discussion meaning clashing opinions", just about my personal opinion on plot changing being the damnation of adaptations in general. That you might calm me down about D×D S3 if your opinion is valid, but you won't ever change my view that plot changing is killing adaptations, and their reputation. Well, something like that.

Originally Posted by GDB

And Imperial is getting "the whacks" (I like that term) because he's posted nothing but negative statements about slews of shows for at least the entirety of the Winter season, if not before that, while still continuing to watch them. All while calling DxD a masterpiece. And then he comes in and trashes DxD.

Well, yeah, I'll favor your opinion on that. The one thing I hated about the winter season is the BLOODY CENSORSHIP (seriously, it's frickin' drawn boobs ... in the age where you're two key-clicks away from uncensored porn ...). Then again, since it seems D×D Novels and D×D Series are different from now on, you really can't say "he said it's good, and now it's bad", since the modus operandi of how D×D is animated took quite a turn this season. So I'd say that's a bit unfair towards Impy (won't say that for everything else though ).

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Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

What Plot Twist are you talking about? There was nothing surprising enough to be called a plot twist in this episode as far as I noticed.

If it's the rearrengement of the events, it was stated weeks, if not months ago the studio and the author stated there'd be changes to fix the flow of the story, so yeah, no surprises there.

Sorry, should've said "plot changing" there (seriously, the fact that english isn't my mother tongue comes back to bite me in the weirdest situations).

About the rearrangements: I just thought that something will be left out. Which is logical, since some stuff was really out of place, for example

Spoiler for Don't read if you don't know the novels:

the whole stuff with the Ragnarok after School, which was sort of 'wedged between' two different parts of the story. I thought that will be left out to skip to the next arc, which is time-wise the logical progression, and to be done later as an OVA or something. But the story of Volume 5 to Volume 6 is pretty linear without flow problems IMHO.

[Starway]

Originally Posted by human6861

It seem like the anime beat the manga so far , i image uncle Tannin more like 4 leg dragon like great red instead of demon stand on 2 legs

If my memory is right In the LN he is a 4 leg dragon at the very lest he did not look like that.

Originally Posted by GDB

Prisoner of Azkaban movie was fine. The one that was bad was Goblet of Fire.

And if you're not open to discussion on it, then why bring it up? This is a discussion board, not a blog. And Imperial is getting "the whacks" (I like that term) because he's posted nothing but negative statements about slews of shows for at least the entirety of the Winter season, if not before that, while still continuing to watch them. All while calling DxD a masterpiece. And then he comes in and trashes DxD.

Yeah well the shows for the winter season sucked balls so I can't blame him for that one lol.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by Starway

If my memory is right In the LN he is a 4 leg dragon at the very lest he did not look like that.

I don't know about if he was four legged, but his face is definitely different from the LN, And personally I like his anime form more, the shoulder pads, and bits of armor makes him look even more badass than in my imagination.

[RpR1337]

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

I don't know about if he was four legged, but his face is definitely different from the LN, And personally I like his anime form more, the shoulder pads, and bits of armor makes him look even more badass than in my imagination.

That's why I said I won't scream bloody murder about the small stuff. He's different all right, but it's not to the point where we can say that "liking it is retarded, since it's 'not canon', so I'm with you there.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Starway

Yeah well the shows for the winter season sucked balls so I can't blame him for that one lol.

Sorry for the offtopic there, but I'd like you to say which show, and why, sucked balls. (Preferrably in 1 post, just so we don't stay off topic for too long, because this isn't a thread for that. Also, I won't comment on it to get back on track, I'm really just curious.)
Personally I watched Absolute Duo, Death Parade, Durarara2, Dog Days 3, Isuca, Junketsu no Maria, Fafnir, Kamisama2, Saenai Heroine, Seiken Tsukai no World Break, Shinmaou, and Tokyo Ghoul root A. And as I said, the one thing I hated about the season is the bloody censorship (divine light of 18+, and Shinmaou's chibi decor, which was, in a sense, even worse IMHO).

The way you say it makes me think you watched completely different anime from the ones I saw TBH.

[Starway]

Originally Posted by Chichiryuushintei

I don't know about if he was four legged, but his face is definitely different from the LN, And personally I like his anime form more, the shoulder pads, and bits of armor makes him look even more badass than in my imagination.

Spoiler for Just realise that this is a spoiler:

Well he and other strong dragons can change how they look like when he turn into a small dragon.

[CrowKenobi]

Okay, before things get way out of hand, let's limit the discussion in this thread to the anime (and episode 1) itself and move the other discussion to a more appropriate thread in either the anime or the novel sub-forums.

With the way some of the discussion is heading, I highly recommend that this thread be used: High School DxD - Weekly Anime Episode-to-Novel Comparison Thread [Spoilers Aplenty]

[RpR1337]

Originally Posted by CrowKenobi

Okay, before things get way out of hand, let's limit the discussion in this thread to the anime (and episode 1) itself and move the other discussion to a more appropriate thread in either the anime or the novel sub-forums.

With the way some of the discussion is heading, I highly recommend that this thread be used: High School DxD - Weekly Anime Episode-to-Novel Comparison Thread [Spoilers Aplenty]

Fair enough, sorry we de-railed the discussion. Then Starway, just send me a PM about that question, because I'm really curious (no joke there).

[DOmus]

Well... honestly, I didn't like it, its not that it was bad, but because Im such a nostalfag that I cant keep watching without remembering how each scene truly happened in the novel. Gonna keep watching just to continue the tradition.
Oh yeah, why did they make Diodora with black hair?? I thought he was blonde.
I thought Tanin would be a dragon in every sense of the word, not an anthropomorphic one, well I dont mind it though.

OP and END were good, not the best ones, but still good.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Originally Posted by DOmus

Oh yeah, why did they make Diodora with black hair?? I thought he was blonde.

Me too, but it was never stated in the LN he was blond IIRC. He only had one illustration with non colored hair.

I just love how the OP has no fan service whatsoever in it. It's just epicness, even if the music isn't the best.

[RpR1337]

Originally Posted by DOmus

Well... honestly, I didn't like it, its not that it was bad, but because Im such a nostalfag that I cant keep watching without remembering how each scene truly happened in the novel. Gonna keep watching just to continue the tradition.
Oh yeah, why did they make Diodora with black hair?? I thought he was blonde.
I thought Tanin would be a dragon in every sense of the word, not an anthropomorphic one, well I dont mind it though.

OP and END were good, not the best ones, but still good.

YES, that was exactly what I was thinking too

Diodora probably went to get his hair dyed

Yeah, Tannin was a suprise too, but the general consensus seems to be that no one is that bothered by his change in appearance.

[Malicre]

Tannin was by far the best change to happen this season.