Log Horizon - Episode 8 Discussion / Poll

[Keroko]

Crescent Moon had the problem of being a small guild with limited resources, so they could only serve 1000ish customers a day. The big merchant guilds have far more people and resources, feeding 5000 people three meals a day at 15 gold a meal shouldn't be impossible for them, while netting them 225000 gold a day.

Good grief, it's like I'm playing EVE again.

[J4n1]

Yes, but competition would probably increase cost of materials, and drive prices lower.

True, they might farm their own materials like Crescent moon did (with zero cost there), but they seemed to be crafting guilds, as opposed to farming guilds (the scene about buying materials supports that).
They might also have the materials in stock already, but i still count the cost of materials into the profit margins because they had to buy them already (though to a lower price).
Uniforms and selling locations might bring some costs as well, but that would probably be minuscule enough to be ignored.

Oceanic Systems might get their money back inside a week, but other two probably will take bit more.

[Xellos-_^]

you guys also forgetting a important part of the deal apart form the money.

Delicious food, currently only about a 1000+ people day get to eat deliocious food.

Ocean System (2500), Roderik Firm (1800), 8th St Shopping (700) combine to about 5000 people. Once they get receipt form Crescent Moon, 5000 extra people get to eat delicious food.

4.5M divided by 5k people is 900G per person. Which is not a big sum of money in game worlds.

So the Benefits to the 3 Guilds are
1. Delicious Food
2. Able to make money for selling Delicious food
3. The Walkthrough and knowledge of this Epic Quest Crescent Moon and Black Heart Shiroe is on.

The Cost?
- 600G per member for Ocean System
- 834G per Member for Roderick Firm
- 2143 per member for 8th St Shopping Center

A bit pricier for 8th st but definitely doable.

[J4n1]

I'd assume the guild has its own finances outside individual members money.
The whole "100 peoples assets" or whatever, was more for comparisons sake what average player or average level might have.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by J4n1

I'd assume the guild has its own finances outside individual members money.
The whole "100 peoples assets" or whatever, was more for comparisons sake what average player or average level might have.

i was attempting to show that the 4.5M while high, when compare to the actual benefits and cost per person is actually cheap.

[orion]

Besides once they learn the trick, they're not limited to burgers. They can expand to other foods.

[Estavali]

While the negotiations part is definitely the high point of this episode (and Henrietta's Ohohohoho of Glee when the three guildmasters bit the bait on their own is ), what I really like is how this episode looks into the twin's reasons for not turning to Shiroe for help.

It gives us an idea the kind of problems newbies had faced in the first few days after the Catastrophe and by extension, why so many people had fallen into Hamelin's clutches. More importantly it reveals more about Minori and Touya, a bit on their characters and interestingly, the difference in the way they looked at the world and events around them =3

[DQueenie13]

Originally Posted by orion

Besides once they learn the trick, they're not limited to burgers. They can expand to other foods.

Crescent Moon has been selling foods and drinks other than burgers from the get-go. It just simply seems to be in highest demand.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Estavali

It gives us an idea the kind of problems newbies had faced in the first few days after the Catastrophe and by extension, why so many people had fallen into Hamelin's clutches. More importantly it reveals more about Minori and Touya, a bit on their characters and interestingly, the difference in the way they looked at the world and events around them =3

It's good they didn't left out the twins' feelings, but I wish they've had better presentation. Minori's monologue is a bit....boring.

[Estavali]

Apparently 23th Nov is Shiroe's birthday =3

Spoiler for From the illustrator Hara-san:

Perhaps that's why episode 8 was titled "Haraguro Megane" when the man himself doesn't show up much in it =3

And you know back then when I was still using Theldesia for the name of the new world? Finally I remember where I got that one. On the novels' cover, there's a short paragraph in English and the word Theldesia comes from there. Mystery finally solved! =D

Spoiler for Example:

[aohige]

Originally Posted by Estavali

While the negotiations part is definitely the high point of this episode (and Henrietta's Ohohohoho of Glee when the three guildmasters bit the bait on their own is ), what I really like is how this episode looks into the twin's reasons for not turning to Shiroe for help.

It gives us an idea the kind of problems newbies had faced in the first few days after the Catastrophe and by extension, why so many people had fallen into Hamelin's clutches. More importantly it reveals more about Minori and Touya, a bit on their characters and interestingly, the difference in the way they looked at the world and events around them =3

Hope Minori's VA's cringeworthy noobness will get better as well.

Like how we survived early Maka in Soul Eaters, and that girl did improve impressively in such a short time.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by Estavali

While the negotiations part is definitely the high point of this episode (and Henrietta's Ohohohoho of Glee when the three guildmasters bit the bait on their own is ), what I really like is how this episode looks into the twin's reasons for not turning to Shiroe for help.

It gives us an idea the kind of problems newbies had faced in the first few days after the Catastrophe and by extension, why so many people had fallen into Hamelin's clutches. More importantly it reveals more about Minori and Touya, a bit on their characters and interestingly, the difference in the way they looked at the world and events around them =3

Spoiler for Comparison to Maoyuu:

It made me think about one of the things I liked less in Maoyuu Maou, that is, the idea that if you don't build your own destiny you're not even a worthy human being. Here, however, it was played much more like an internal struggle - it's clearly an idea born out of bitterness and self loathing, not one endorsed by the author - so I appreciated it more.

[jeroz]

Spoiler for Comparison to Maoyuu:

Originally Posted by Gan_HOPE326

the idea that if you don't think for yourself you're not even a worthy human being.

ftfy, no idea where you get the wrong idea from

[Alf]

Spoiler for Comparison to Maoyuu:

That was from the speech of the chief maid. Although it was just the thought of her and not the whole idea of Maoyu, a similar tone was actually the driving force of the story.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by Alf

Spoiler for Comparison to Maoyuu:

That was from the speech of the chief maid. Although it was just the thought of her and not the whole idea of Maoyu, a similar tone was actually the driving force of the story.

Spoiler for Comparison to Maoyuu:

Exactly, and there was a very similar concept reprised in the speech from the Young Maid posing as Maou. I don't think the intentions behind that speech were as bad as someone makes them to be, and I think most of the unfortunate implications were more the fruit of thoughtlessness on the author's side. But it was still rather annoying.

[rcaladlr]

I believe the episode had about 22 "/adjust glasses". I saw a post somewhere else from a guy who counted how many times the characters adjusted their glasses during the episode.

[Kamui04]

Originally Posted by rcaladlr

I believe the episode had about 22 "/adjust glasses". I saw a post somewhere else from a guy who counted how many times the characters adjusted their glasses during the episode.

The log horizon subforum totally needs an /adjust glasses tally thread XD

[Sheba]

This episode alone could rival one season worth of Shaft Head Tilts.

[FRS]

We now just need someone doing a shaft headtilt while reajusting their glasses

[NorthernFallout]

I, too, do the readjusting every single time Shiroe does it.

And oh my god did this ep bring up EVE feels again. Investing like a baws, and I can't wait to see the utter humiliation of the poor sods under Shiroe's wrath.