2011-03-11, 22:44 | Link #61 | |
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I just had to write a paper on that yesterday. It is interesting that in some cases, that theory is applied well, and in some...not so much. For example, Fahrenheit 451. Bradbury was actually more concerned with TV destroying interest in literature than he was with government censorship. Not that his intentions will stop any high school teacher from saying the novel is about censorship. I'd say that it shouldn't be touched with a ten foot pole when it comes to the mystery genre, but that could be just me being overprotective of the genre since I like it too much and have an admittedly stubborn view of what a mystery should be. |
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2011-03-11, 22:53 | Link #62 | |
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Youre referring to a general truth which just doesnt apply here. |
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2011-03-11, 22:59 | Link #64 | ||
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But then again, Umineko isn't a mystery, at least not a traditional mystery. Quote:
For instance, earlier you said: "The problem is we have no way of knowing, and are being told to draw the conclusions ourselves. It's honestly not about the facts themselves, but the writing. We simply have no way of knowing what happened, we have no firm ground to base our conclusions upon, nothing. " So there are facts, it's just that they aren't certain. In your opinion. |
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2011-03-11, 23:02 | Link #65 | |
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Youre just generalizing. That isnt what I was doing, please follow what a persons saying when youre replying to them. |
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2011-03-11, 23:02 | Link #66 | ||
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I can claim that Gohda is the culprit, but I wouldn't that my Evil Chef theory isn't as probable as a Kyrie culprit one for example. Quote:
Bradbury is just a flatout weird writer. I'm not sure he even believes in what he says or if he just likes to act like that. Quote:
In Umineko, the author is all dead. I think the series would have greatly benefited from the author being only mostly dead. |
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2011-03-11, 23:09 | Link #68 | |
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Hence the puzzle analogy. |
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2011-03-11, 23:12 | Link #69 | |
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Every work of art is interpreted in through the eyes of a viewer, and it means something different to each person who views it. That's why authors don't have to explain what they mean. You won't find a "And the moral of the story is:" at the end of any good novel. So I don't see why you despise Umineko for not explaining itself, unless you hate all modern novels. |
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2011-03-11, 23:30 | Link #71 | |
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2011-03-11, 23:44 | Link #74 | |
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It's a troll. Leafsnail, quit messing around and just read my posts already. |
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2011-03-11, 23:47 | Link #75 | |
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Eh. I don't think having an open-ended story is too abusive. I wouldn't accuse Christopher Nolan of being lazy by giving an Inception an open ending (because that is the point of Inception's ending, you can't be sure of reality). Umineko is going for a very similar effect.
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2011-03-11, 23:55 | Link #76 | |
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Proper mystery or not, if you are going to say that the games had an author who wasn't quite dead(thematics aside, Beatrice was quite alive when she made them) and had intentions behind it, you better explain them. Otherwise it feels like you are afraid of how they'll seem, even if possible, rather shaky once you explain them in detail. It feels that way even though he only gave us very summarized lines! "That was one risky game," says Will. That was his way of saying "yes I made a character do something many of you would consider a bit 'whaaaat' as part of the plan." He was preemptively defending himself from the reader, despite not even laying the truth bare to us. For example, Benson Murder Case. Van Dine reveals not only the solution, but how Vance's thought process that allowed him to solve the case as early as chapter 5 was made. He didn't leave anything to hide. We saw everything. To show without hiding, in a mystery, is considered pride. The ambiguous nature in the ending was something I was perfectly fine with. What I wasn't fine with was with the ambiguous summation. There is where I think he abused the concept of multiple interpretations. |
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Oh! That. Yes, I agree. That actually isn't so much an issue of authorial intent, I wouldn't think. Just too vague of answers to the riddles.
Well, who knows, maybe we'll get an "Umineko Rei" which provides really detailed answers to the locked room riddles. I hope we do. |
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But unlike the other challenges, that one doesnt have a certain answer that we can do anything but speculate on. |
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2011-03-12, 00:04 | Link #79 | |
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The answer to that is "Even if you join us... there are 17 people on the island." So if Erika doesn't join them, there are only 16. She's not a placeholder for anyone. |
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