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2014-04-12, 06:51 | Link #62 |
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Its true that his limited in terms of his magic uses but doesn't he also is a adept of flash casting(Because of the experiment his mother and aunt put him through).
Flash cast bypasses the use of a cad and its faster then using a cad that making the person who uses flash cast faster then a person using a cad. Tatsuya can use flash cast but his only limitations are that his can only use magic that has 5 processes or lower. So regardless of the magic type of those spells(meaning belonging to all 4 classes and 8 subclasses) we can assume he can use any spells that fit this this criteria unless stated somewhere he can`t(only read 10 volumes so far). I know this doesn't seem very powerful but it not stated how many process specific spells have, like it there are a-rank spells that fit this criteria he can use them as long as he knows the activation sequence. As stated by mizuki in vol 2 chapter 8, 5 steps and lower processes magics covered at least half of the known combat magics, and judging from his ability to remember things its entirely possible he knows all of them which gives him a lot to work with during battle. And in combat the ability to cast powerful spells doesn't mean one always wins. As seen in the battle between masaki and tatsuya in the monolith code one simple flash cast completely took out masaki. |
2014-04-12, 07:23 | Link #63 | |
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Even if he uses FC his magic his C-Rank, that's weak, he can only do simple things. I don't remember Tatsuya using Flash Cast excepted in vol 05. Something like that would be better in the hands of a A-rank magician like Miyuki. |
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2014-04-12, 09:48 | Link #64 |
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Just wondering but where does it state Miyuki is A- rank? She could use Niflheim and Inferno with complete control and Tatsuya says that whatever a normal magician could do, she could do at the highest level like her incredible zone interference. Though I'm kind of surprised that Tatsuya can still cast under her zone
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2014-04-12, 10:01 | Link #66 | |
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And his magic is not c-rank..... his technical skill at using spells is c rank.He can probably use all kinds of magics but as seen in LN the cast speed at which he uses those magic is very high, close to almost a second(0.980 secs he got on the technical skills exam i believe) compared to normal magicians that are under 0.5 seconds.Miyuki was around 0.280 secs(or 280 ms) using schools cads faster using her own cad. And even at that speed she is still inferior to her brother when his using his innate magic power like decomposition (dont remember where but it was state that the cast time was 50 ms or 0.05 seconds). The air mine magic he developed for the nine school competition its definitely not a c rank spell and he stated when asked to add his name to the index that even if he was to to that no one will believe him because he can`t use it at a level that will make people believe he made it(this states that he can use the the magic itself but not very effectively). Also miyuki can`t do flash casting because that ability needs either a genius level intelligence and a instant memory recall or she went through some brainwashing program to engrave those activation sequences into her mind. |
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2014-04-12, 10:31 | Link #68 | |||
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Remember that a normal magicians can use a lot of spells, Tatsuya is BS, he should not even be able to use them under normal circumstances. He can use his superpowers rapidly because he is born with them. Even by using normal magic faster than the others, it would still be weak because the speed is the only boost. And aren't 0.280 and 0.5 faster than 0.980? During the practical training he was the slowest of his friends and managed to pass via ES after 3 fails. Quote:
You don't need genius intellect to use flash cast, it's only because of the artificial MCA that Tatsuya can remember all the activation sequences. |
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2014-04-12, 11:57 | Link #70 | ||
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"Single Systematic Flash Cast, eh. Oh well, at least he managed to keep our secrets." a quote from the LN insinuating that he used flash cast instead of a classified magic. "The CAD in his left hand is calibrated for Oscillation-Type Magic precisely to cover for this. He's just as prudent as always." "If that's a high school student, there is something seriously wrong with this world. But, Flash Cast...... If he was an enemy, that sort of speed would be a terrifying threat." From LN volume 4 chapter 10 near the end of the chapter. He even had a cover for the flash cast i case someone wonders. I might've understand this wrong but it definitely looks like that that sound thing was indeed a simple spell used with flash cast. Quote:
But its not stated in LN how the power of the spell is measured or how strong a spell is in comparison to other spell. For example We know that "Inferno" is a a-rank spell based on the fact that is a complex spell with a lot of magic sequences(magic tolerance), a great effect on the eidos(Interference Strength) and the fast activation time(speed of magic design) but there's no indication of the spell overall strength(like When with MB it had 20 megatons output power that enough gives the readers how much carnage that spell can do). What i mean is that a complex spell that rewrites the eidos to great extent will make it a a-rank spell, but its destructive power could be shitty and at the same time a more simple spell like a a sound amplification(what he used on masaki) if you amplify the sound enough can cripple you even turn your brain to mush and kill you. I mean what actually gives a spell its destructive power? Is it the psions that a magician have?By pumping more psions into a spell makes it more powerful? |
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2014-04-12, 12:30 | Link #71 | |
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Related to zone interference . The fact that tatsuya can freely cast his magic has nothing to do with the zone interference strength since normal magicians use the spell to create and modify the eidos(systematic magic), the interference in that process will have effect but tatsuya magic unique hence zone interference even cast jamming are useless. And there's stated no where that she is a- rank magician.The fact is she can only use 2 freeze a rank spells( inferno and Niflheim ) which are all part Speed and Oscillation/Vibration System. We seen her using other magic systems as well but not to the extent she uses Speed and Oscillation/Vibration magic. The other a rank spell she uses is cocytus which is a outer-systematic magic and its unique to her. |
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He used FC against Masaki, he was able to beat him thanks to the overwhelming speed, not that his Oscillation magic was super powerful, if Miyuki ( or pretty much any other combat magician) had used the same oscillation magic, it would be way more powerful than Tatsuya's. Same when he used it to save Honoka, it was useful only because he could use it rapidly. Quote:
Using MB is a bad example because it's a nuke, all the apostles have a A rank magic. A-rank magic are difficult to learn and powerful, Niflheim is powerful and in vol 2 Miyuki was taking her time to torture her opponents. If Tatsuya hadn't stopped her she would have killed them. Mist Dispersion and Rupture are A-rank but they don't need to have a large radius to be dangerous, Tatsuya disintegrates everything and Masaki explodes everything(as long as there are liquids), both act on a small-scale but are powerful nonetheless. It has never been stated that Miyuki is A-rank but well... it should be obvious I think. |
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2014-04-12, 14:45 | Link #74 | |
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That's what i was thinking but I think i was a bit confused because the book has never mentioned an S-rank so that classification likely does not exist and A-rank is probably the highest. |
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2014-04-12, 14:53 | Link #75 | |
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If that is the case then how will you judge the rank of spells like decomposition which does not share the same activation process as systematic magic(systematic spell create and alter eidos while decomposition just rewrites or destroys eidos). As for mist dispersion its stated that he can snipe 36 different targets if they are unaware of his presence and that number goes down if his in combat with them to 24 that is tatsuya current limit as for miyuki is stated that her limit is 16 if she pushes herself to the limit. Its true that mist dispersion on itself is not a wide area spell but it seems tatsuya can use it to attack a large number of targets at the same time. What i`m trying to say is in real combat(within the story) how you use the spells have more of an impact then how powerful the spells are. |
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The fact that others may be be able to use it does not mean it is not part of his innate magic. Innate magic just means he's better at it than everyone else due inborn talent. Quote:
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- Psions are used by the Cad to create an activation sequence and the actual spell's design efficiency, requirement as sustained or as a one off, duration and magician's skill determines that consumption of psions. Duration and repetition being the main one's that would directly affect reality. E.g. Ichijou having to continue to pour on his magic and consume psions to slowly roast the v7 invaders. - A greater interference strength means a more powerful straightforward and longer lasting result in reality. E.g. a cooling breeze versus a tornado strength gale wind. - However depending on the spell's purpose, a simple spell can enhance a normally harmless force or event and produce destructive results-e.g. increasing sound via oscillation of waves; or a complex spell can also produce unnatural chemical, biological and environmental actions that also lead to destructive results. Hanzo's 9 schools combo magics, suffocation via Kanon's v7 magic spells, Mai's mind manipulation combining air manipulation magic and magic botany. |
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this stuff make determining who's gonna pawn who even more challenging. Every character has his own strengths and weaknesses but in terms of combat ability tatsuya stands above everyone else.Even his own unit members that are soldiers and have seen though some real battles in they're lives considers tatsuya to be terrifying. |
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