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View Poll Results: Clannad - Episode 22 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 211 | 60.81% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 49 | 14.12% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 23 | 6.63% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 20 | 5.76% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 19 | 5.48% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 0.86% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 3 | 0.86% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 0.58% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 3 | 0.86% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 14 | 4.03% | |
Voters: 347. You may not vote on this poll |
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2009-03-12, 18:45 | Link #61 | ||
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Oh and In Nanoha A's case it was more of a break even because if I recall there was no theme contradicted by what happened with the Volkenritter. |
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2009-03-12, 18:48 | Link #62 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Washington
Age: 35
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I'm fine with that. |
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2009-03-12, 18:58 | Link #63 | |
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 34
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This is the sort of thing KyoAni can accomplish, and why people let things like this slide. Maybe you'll like Little Busters better. From what I know about it, it's very... different... from most other Key stories. |
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2009-03-12, 19:07 | Link #65 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
Age: 46
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Chiisana Tenohira is entirely intact with only some narration/dialogue over it in the quieter places at the start. Also it is in the middle of the episode...Touch doesn't even come for almost six minutes after it ends.
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2009-03-12, 19:19 | Link #66 | |
Name means little...
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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Well Torch actually isn't a distraction in this episode. During episode 21 though, I can't help but to have some dismay over its inclusion...
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To be honest, I think KyoAni actually did absorb lessons from AIR and Kanon in going about Clannad. There are far fewer ambugities remaining from the visual novel transplantation and that the support characters do have better balance in carrying the plot over. Mind you, this partly comes with Maeda Jun becoming more and more polished with his craft and providing better designs, but it does end up creating something more coherant than the two prior works.
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2009-03-12, 19:25 | Link #69 |
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I guess it all boils down to what the viewer expected when they started with CLANNAD, and I'm not talking just about After Story. Are they coming into the slow expecting a slice-of-lifeish romance-comedy with some fantastic elements inter sped with the reality-based situations? Or are they coming into the show expecting a mystical story that also just happens to occur in a realistic setting? The game players like myself get it easy, as we know what we were getting into, but I won't be to surprised that the anime-only viewers might feel cheated. And it is emotional cheating, in a heavy-handed and patently unsubtle manner, where you feel that the characters were jerked around for no more reason than to illicit a strong emotional response from the viewer. Then, all that emotional investment is... wasted, since the characters who've been pretty much beaten up emotionally, kicked in the gut, then rolled in the proverbial gutter since life has been OH SO BAD TO THEM, suddenly get a second chance. Welcome to Jun Maeda's world. I'll have to agree with Kaioshin this time, if only a little. CLANNAD was an enjoyable and wonderful ride, but due to the limitations inherent with source material used, fell short in unexpected ways. Episode 22 felt, really, like a denouement or anticlimax more than anything else, with the climax of the series hitting around episode 18-19. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll grab my T-51b. I expect the usual suspects (I'm looking at you Chibi, I'm looking at you Typhonsentra) to drop WTF nukes anytime soon.
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2009-03-12, 19:36 | Link #70 |
The King of the Insane
Join Date: Mar 2009
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I can see why there is a feeling that episode 22 calmed the emotional building of the past few episodes, but I think that this is exactly what it was meant for. The previous episodes were all very heavy and started to instill this sense of "Oh man life must suck for him". I think 22 was meant as a way to look back and say well life can go wrong (as it did in the other episodes) or it can go right (22). 22 isn't meant to be a "climax" but another possible solution to a troubled life. If you look at 22 like that, it really doesn't steal any of the drama from the last few episodes, but gives a nice contrast to them and as a stand alone episode makes the heavy episodes heavier.
At least that's what I think. and @Myssa Rei- Chinese stealth suit pwns T-51b so I'll just sneak around any WTF nukes. Last edited by danin8r44; 2009-03-12 at 19:37. Reason: wording sucked in some parts |
2009-03-12, 19:41 | Link #71 |
Name means little...
Graphic Designer
Join Date: Dec 2004
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looks like I found myself a like-minded player in danin8r44. Jingwei's shocksword + gauss + the stealth suit ftw.
Well, I guess that's a reason why Maeda wouldn't choose to initially pen the true end as in Episode 22. I think by episode 20, the audience can't help but to seriously question about the value of family and the people around you against that of your own. Nevertheless, reaching an actual conclusion does bring a degree of closure to the narrative, despite any objection on how the conclusion impacted the sentiment of relevance of the prior experience.
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2009-03-12, 19:57 | Link #74 |
Power of 9 SoShi-ist
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: USA
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Finally, an undoing of dramatic events that I really wanted to happen. As much as I've appreciated the emotional roller coaster (I'm a near complete wreck for goodness sakes) I've been put through since Ushio's birth, in the end what I would rather see is the preservation of a family, and where I can do anything towards ensuring that, I will go through hell and back and then some.
I love Clannad. Though I have a particular fondness (or fetish) for the tsundere character, give me Nagisa and Tomoya all the way! Woo hoo! |
2009-03-12, 19:58 | Link #75 |
Rewrite of the Life
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As to people who saw the episdoe and are going wtf I would almost ALMOST agree with you expect for the fact that the Illusionary World creation is one the best things of the story. This created the outcome and was done in such a beautiful way if the Illusionary World didn't exist well then might as well not have any other stories and just give the focus on Nagisa Tomoya and call it slice of life drama. Sorry wrong genre and wrong company to be asking for such. If you want to see something more realistic or whatever go see Tomoyo After |
2009-03-12, 20:37 | Link #76 | ||
Knowledge is the solution
Join Date: Jan 2004
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(...) (...) (...) aAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (...) AAWW kind of episode. I wouldn't call it an anti climax though, since an anti climax, as a literally resource means that a difficult and seemingly difficult to resolve plot (the intended lead up to the climax) was just solved with something trivial, which is not the case. I hope I'm making myself clear.
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2009-03-12, 20:38 | Link #77 |
Shameless Zoro Fangirl
Join Date: Jul 2008
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C-can someone please post a picture of teenage!Mei? Seriously, I'm gonna be eagerly awaiting the episode's conclusion just so I can see that if I don't get a spoiler shot of it before hand. ;_; It's hard enough already waiting for those subs.
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2009-03-12, 20:39 | Link #78 |
だんご大家族の一人
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Still a bit puzzled on the light orbs and the other world, but perhaps a rewatching and a trip to the Spoilers Thread will help! :-)
All in all though, a fitting ending and a definite tearjerker, though I'm still left wondering over the significance of the "friend" Fuuko finds. Spoiler for 22:
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2009-03-12, 20:40 | Link #79 | |
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Texas
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I tried to be all reasonable and say there is more lesson to learn in keeping both Ushio and Nagisa dead because people don't come back, but I couldn't do it. Girly tears of happiness were shed when everything was turned back and you saw Nagisa lived. I don't care about the lesson. I just want my happy end.
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2009-03-12, 20:46 | Link #80 |
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danin8r44 and panzerfan: To clue you in, I usually play paladin-types (the diplomatic but can fight type, not the lawful stupid metalhead type) so the T-51b is up my alley... Despite my having a 100 Sneak score, haha.
Back to the episode... I think in the end, some viewers will feel cheated. Really. Especially if they missed all the magical references about how the TOWN, yes, the TOWN was trying to teach the kid who hated it a valuable lesson. ...About NOT insulting the TOWN. Just kidding.
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