2018-06-10, 09:04 | Link #63 |
Memento Mori
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It's kinda funny how so many people are complaining that Mikoto's in the centre of the promotional art. Guys, this isn't new; they did this with the Index movie too, you know. And it wasn't just Mikoto but Accelerator as well when both of them had fuck all relevance to the plot or screentime (for the latter) at all.
This has nothing to do with Miki or whatever, it's just a very logical marketing strategy to appeal with characters they know are loved by the fanbase.
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2018-06-10, 20:16 | Link #66 | |
Index III was a mistake
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There's definitely something to say about the first season of Railgun. But it was a simpler time back then and I can generally commend Nagai's work there even though I skipped a few of the episodes in the latter half due to how boring it was (read-as too much focus on slice-of-life).
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2018-06-10, 22:08 | Link #68 |
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Don't know why people are complaining, all of the characters featured in the poster are important to the story.
If you are anime only fans, there are very clear reasons why these characters are front and center. As for those of you that read the LN, you should know better by now why all of them matter and that all of them are very important no matter where your bias falls.
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2018-06-11, 08:23 | Link #72 | |
No time to sleep, 不幸だ
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Beyond his flanderization of Kuroko, his poisoning the well with Kongou (caused by the latter as mentioned above), he removes the bratty aspects from Mikoto quite a bit. Take the very first episode of Railgun for example. The reason Mikoto railguns the bank robbers is completely different between the anime and the manga. In the anime, she's a paragon who does it because blah blah blah boring (ironically, the things people dislike about anime Touma but seem to give a pass for her) while in the manga, she gets pissed because the robber bumped into her and smeared her crepe over her clothes. On the mudsling side, Accelerator's finger eating scene and its placement. Completely the opposite of what it was meant to be in the original novels. Not to mention all the filler and changes from the manga peppered throughout the adaptation of the Level Upper Arc (and to a lesser extent, the Sisters Arc). Not necessarily. Some things are better left in the dark. The whole thing kinda just removed any meaning to her even being captured in so many ways.
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2018-06-11, 13:18 | Link #73 | ||
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Besides, these are all writing issues. You can't pin all that on the director unless you're 100% sure it was him. Getting upset over such minor changes that you aren't even sure are from the director or not really does prove that the hate was overblown.
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2018-06-11, 15:47 | Link #74 | |
I’m sorry, Kamijou-san!!
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2018-06-11, 16:18 | Link #75 |
Me, An Intellectual
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I guess I'll just never see what the fuss is. Mikoto being slightly less bratty in one particular moment or Accelerator having a slightly less fucked up reason for chewing a finger isn't something I'd ever get hung up about in the grander scheme of things. I can only assume those were the best examples he could think of and it just comes across as being picky to me. We're not talking major plot moments where they acted differently. Just little throw away moments you'd barely remember. I definitely wouldn't use it as ammunition to hate on a director who no doubt put a lot of effort into the adaptation regardless.
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2018-06-11, 16:29 | Link #76 |
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The problem is if it becomes a trend in future Railgun seasons. What's happening on the Index side of things would never happen if Mikoto remains as such a paragon of justice. It will eventually create a dissonance between the anime depiction and the original. And if it leads to that, then criticism is warranted, whether it looks pretty in the process or not.
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2018-06-11, 17:14 | Link #78 |
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I definitely don't see the problem with Mikoto, so with her friends she acts differently than when she is around Touma... Isn't that part of the point of her side of the story? To show us how she spends her time when she isn't around Touma... Am I missing something?
You have to remember that Railgun is far more tame than Index is (as difficult as that maybe to believe) and is supposed to be a kind of slice of life anime with cute girls doing... Whatever they do in AC, so Mikoto being shown in a slightly better light isn't exactly as dissonant as some make it. The thing is she IS a goody two shoes just like how Touma is selfless to a fault. Both of them are similar in this aspect, they are trouble makers in their own right but when it comes to it they are probably the most selfless people in all of AC (as fucked up as AC is that is a miracle in and of itself), especially after learning of the Darkside of Academy City. I feel like some of you just see her interactions with characters like Misaki who are really good at bringing out the brat in her, or just saw the first episode of Index and thought that she actively looks for fights and trouble and just decided that that was her default mode. She is as much of a pure ojou-sama as Misaki, Kongou and the other girls from the Garden, the only difference being that Mikoto is a little more street savvy and rebellious than the majority of them. And just like Touma, she is prone to get involved in situations where her moral compass and the fucked up antagonist makes her into the "paragon of justice" As for taking out scenes like Accelerators finger chewing, I am totally ok with it's omission seeing as those kind of scenes add nothing to the characters development or narrative.
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2. The fun part is that I don't think Saten was even there in the manga. The manga served to create a solid basis for her character drama without creating an OOC moment. 3. The idea that a teenager wouldn't really get involved in something unless it pissed her off is not 'edgelordism'. 4. You claim it's a minor change, but these 'minor' changes add up and turn the series and its characters into something entirely different. Replacing and changing the order of events does that to the point where the manga and anime feel completely different. I know too many people who watched the anime first and read the manga and felt that. Here's another example. At the end of the Seventh Mist incident, Mikoto is the one who proudly proclaims her spiel about hard work and tells of how she rose from Level 1 in the manga, showing a bit of that pride and her own entrenched belief in a just-world fallacy as opposed to Kuroko being the one to give the spiel in the anime. Said belief is toned down heavily as it's a character flaw. Quote:
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Everything you said seems to be trying to deflect or dismiss criticism as 'minor' or 'overblown'.
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