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Perfect 10 | 1 | 3.85% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 5 | 19.23% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 6 | 23.08% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 23.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 15.38% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 3.85% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 3 | 11.54% | |
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2016-09-18, 23:20 | Link #61 |
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On Heinz ending up the way he did this episode Keith and Gramia share a responsibility on it. It wasn't just Roid.
They pretty much warped Heinz to commit genocide and slavery on a massive scale based on hate. Now Keith is trying to set his brother to make his own decisions? Well murder is his decision and you had a part on that. Now he is dying because of it you fool. Heinz will probably die full of regrets at the end of this. |
2016-09-19, 00:03 | Link #63 | |
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Spoiler for Endless Waltz' final battle:
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2016-09-19, 00:09 | Link #64 | |
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Second of all, I'm talking about runtime to resolve things. Considering Endless Waltz is an OVA which had approximately 30-45 minutes to resolve things (unless you're on the Director's Cut version), it resolved things very quickly and the ending itself genuinely feels off compared to the TV series (which ran for 40+ episodes, mind you). Also, it's on a different plot from the main series, which helps it stand out more... So my point of the original post is how a rushed ending could come from a series regardless of length or build up. It's all about how it plays out. |
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2016-09-19, 00:22 | Link #65 | |
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EDIT: And you’re wrong about the duration. The original Endless Waltz OVA has 75 minutes (3 x 25-minute episodes) and the movie version has 90 minutes.
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2016-09-19, 01:00 | Link #66 | ||
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Takes this with a grain of salt because I don't have the interview right now to double check and the description was vague. Quote:
He had no idea what Mikumo's voice would provoke as seen by his reaction, but his decision wasn't for the bombs to detonate, but to stop them from dropping another bomb like they did in Windermere. Unlike the evil NUNS guy (RIP), the kid isn't a sociopath, he's just a kid trying to do the best in his horrible circumstances. And yes, it was Roid's fault because he seemly knew what was going to happen, look at his reaction vs the other Windermerians who were shocked or upset. NUNS vs Windermere stuff is over anyway, Windermere won. Now to move on Chaos and Windermere which will no doubt end with Chaos' victory.
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2016-09-19, 01:28 | Link #67 | |
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Heinz isn't innocent as you'd like to defend him. He made a decision however wrong it is and stuck with it. |
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2016-09-19, 01:30 | Link #68 |
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If you're talking about episode 8 the ruins became active via all Walkure and not just Freyja-- she simply activated it to a higher level, but no it wasn't just her that revived the ruins on Voldor.
Now that I think about it she was the only Walkure not singing when the ruins first started to respond, I believe it was Ikenai Borderline. |
2016-09-19, 01:38 | Link #69 | |
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The only person in the room who shows any real emotion at all for the NUNS bombing themselves is Heinz; who genuinely looks horrified, as if he didn't believe they'd kill themselves. Doesn't help that voices are crying alongside the stars (glints of light) which adds to this scene on so many levels. And Keith is off in the corner (in retrospect) watching this unfold and is feeling nothing for it. Meanwhile, Roid is overly happy about this situation... |
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2016-09-19, 01:45 | Link #70 | |
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That been said, I don't think making sense is a priority for the writers at this point, so I guess anything can happen.
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2016-09-19, 01:49 | Link #71 | |
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This is the first time he felt people's suffering rather than an abstract concept like Keith showing the hole or Freyja's memory of her house burning. He knew this was going to happen but wasn't ready to feel it. At the end of this Heinz will likely die full of regrets at the choices he took. |
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2016-09-19, 02:04 | Link #72 | |
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In episode 24, Heinz addresses how he felt Mikumo and Freyja suffering from connecting to the ruins and himself and remembering his show of the scar on his planet in episode 10 (of which all three either fainted or were unable to continue on). The other thing he addresses is the color of their songs (Freyja is the sun, Mikumo is the stars) and how each one feels from his runes (Freyja is warm, Mikumo is scary). The fact is: Heinz does feel things progressively changing around him; however, he's been told it's normal or all necessary in the grand scheme of things. What Heinz has (and I hesitated to call it this) is Stockholm Syndrome. His whole life has literally been "do this because it's necessary" and goes along because while he acknowledges it's not right (especially in this episode's finale), it's all he knows how to do. His parents or guardians or etc. never allowed him to grow as an individual. Children in his situation grow up like this; and it's sad because I have a friend in real life who has this issue... |
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2016-09-19, 02:15 | Link #73 | ||
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Uh no he wasn't aware of this could happen? Because, hey, you've seemly not paying attention to his characterization and why he accepted to listen to Roid and sing in the first place: it was to avoid or lessen the number of victims in war. Anyway, I feel the end of those NUNS forces was pretty much poetic justice. I'm sure I'll feel the same way when Roid's experiment backfires next episode. It felt incredibly satisfying to see that bastard die by his own mass destruction weapons. Quote:
Yup, Reina could become the Solar Singer and fix everything if the writers want.
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2016-09-19, 06:18 | Link #74 |
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I feel like this episode should have happened a week or two ago. If we're going to have a peaceful and somewhat romantic moment between Hayate and Freyja before the final fight, can't we at least have a proper confession along with it? Geez.
This pretty much guarantees that the last episode will be overly rushed. We'll probably have Hayate and Freyja say they love each other in the very last 30 seconds and then cut to black, because reasons. |
2016-09-19, 08:05 | Link #76 |
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Makina survives!
Oh poor Mikumo, I really wonder who plans to save her now. I honestly think the whole plan with the brainwashing is going a bit far. She's literally being treated like a tool of war. Freyja and Hayate got some more decent screen time although I feel like they could of done that before this episode. One more left...wonder who will live or survive?
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2016-09-19, 08:59 | Link #77 |
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I thought this was a very nice and pleasant episode, at least if you evaluate it on its own.
The protagonist side had some good warmth and charm to it, and hit a lot of nice notes. Arad and Kaname's moment was nice. Reina holding Makina's hand was nice. It was all very nice. I really liked how all the reveals centering around Hayate's dad was handled. That was simply sublime, in my opinion. Beautiful. Freyja getting the music player from Hayate's father is just the sweetest cheery on top, really. I might have liked a bit more in the HayaFrey moment, but it was nonetheless a very pleasing and charming scene. And the scene did feel like it suited the characters perfectly. It's pretty clear that Hayate loves Freyja, but it's just not his nature to make a big show of it (big snow maybe, but not big show ). Hayate drops some hints, particularly in certain compliments he makes of her ("the way you laugh makes me feel relieved"). It's probably going to be up to Freyja to have a clear-cut romance happen, if it does happen. It's hers, if she decides to make a formal confession, as I now have no doubt Hayate would reciprocate. But it's hard to imagine Hayate taking the lead and confessing to her. It's like he's just putting himself out there, and deciding to be in this soothing relaxed relationship with Freyja that's on the very borderline of friendship/romance, and leaving it up to her to determine what the relationship will be. I think Freyja also loves Hayate, but I sense some fear and concern with her. She was initially trying to nicely shoo Hayate away. I think that Freyja fears that she's now dying, and she doesn't want to risk burdening Hayate with that, so she was initially trying to create some distance between them. I think the show has made it clear that while Hayate deeply respects and likes Mirage, and considers her a dear friend and comrade, it is Freyja that he loves the most. And even if that's not the case, Mirage herself told Hayate to go to Freyja, and at a meta-level, that's pretty suggestive, in my view. So I'd be truly shocked at a HayaMira ending. Should Freyja survive, the most likely outcome is one that strongly leans towards HayaFrey, but stops just short of total confirmation. Again, I just can't see Hayate confessing, and Freyja is going to be caught up with Walkure soon. A HayaFrey confirmation is possible, but I'd say the likelihood of it is 20% at most. Now, as for Raging Roid Rangers vs. VillaiNUNs... Neither side comes off particularly good. At the same time, I can understand the sheer desperation that both sides likely feel. Both sides have good reason to truly fear the other and want the other obliterated. NUNs are willing to use those nasty WMDs, but given what Windermere has done in this show, it's at least somewhat understandable, in my view. On the flip-side, it's that precise NUNs willingness that adds some justification to Windermere feeling threatened by NUNs, to the point of Windermere being gripped in warmongering paranoia. It's all one nasty spiral of escalation, that probably reflects the reality of war, and how it can become a terrible tornado-like trap. I think Heinz was genuinely surprised by what happened to that NUNs fleet. I'm with Thess on that. I don't know what exactly is going through Heinz's head. Perhaps the kid just feels totally overwhelmed, and is doing his best to act/sound like a leader while putting minimal thought into what his actions actually mean. That doesn't excuse him completely, but it makes him at least somewhat pitiable. He's well and truly in over his head. Roid knows what's going on, and because of that, I have very mixed feelings over how this episode presented him. It did seem to be trying to make Roid seem sympathetic... if not glorious in his own twisted way. Keith continues to feel like a hardened extremist, with Roid being a dangerous "head in the clouds" extremist. Fears of the finale being rushed are somewhat justified, though given the numbers of players involved, it might just be a slightly amped-up version of what Episode 13 gave us. Heck, we're even going back to Ragna it seems. This is to say that the action side of things might not be particularly complicated or chaotic. Granted, it is a little hard for me to see how chaos wins. On the pilot side, they seem badly outmatched to me, unless an Aerial Knight or two actually turns completely against Roid. I can also understand Mikumo's biggest fans being disappointed in this episode, as she was pretty much reduced to a plot device here. I hope she gets greater presence in the finale. However, my favorite character in this show is Freyja, and after that, there's many protagonists I like all about the same. So for me, this was an excellent episode. 9/10.
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2016-09-19, 09:18 | Link #78 |
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So it seems that Berger Stone weighs in that Lady M's identity is Lynn Minmay, huh? Meanwhile, I have a feeling that Freyja Wion will die after not telling Hayate Immelman that she met his father, as well as not saying about her declining health.
Meanwhile, glad that the NUNS take action instead of doing nothing and wash their hands after activating a dimensional bomb in Ragna. Then again, said dimensional bombs are triggered by themselves now that Mikumo Guynemer was forced to sing and control the NUNS. Seriously, both Lord Roid Brehm and King Heinz Nerich Windermere are remorseful for making this massacre! Anyways, I'm worried about the finale next week... |
2016-09-19, 09:24 | Link #79 | |
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Whether Freyja lives or dies might be the biggest question going into the final. I could see it going either way.
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2016-09-19, 09:49 | Link #80 |
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True, and it'll be heart-breaking for Hayate if Freyja dies. Their times they spent together will all go down the drain. Meanwhile, I'm concerned on whether Lady M will make an appearance or not. But because of Kawamori-sensei, I doubt that Lady M or Lynn Minmay will appear in the end. After all, he'll take his secrets to his grave! |
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