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And hey, c'mon, a year? So what? Rome wasn't built in a day. Shirley herself had to start over from scratch, and we all know Lelouch is the more resistant one. Hmm, I wonder would've happened if Lelouch continued his life like that after Charles geassed him. It was actually probably the best chance at a normal life he had in the show. Yeah probably. Plus, you know, it's a letter. Stuff like that can get lost fairly easily. Kinda stinks that they never did more with it though. Now that I think about, I can't help but think they were planning to do more with it in R2. |
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2009-05-08, 00:38 | Link #62 |
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The main problem is that Lelouch can be a slippering one, but when he's Zero, he got an excuse "I can't do this cause world domination comes first", here, he didn't do anything in the whole year, Shirley got all the time in the world(okay, not all, but i assume she didn't take the whole year to fall for him again) to make her move, hehe.
BUT, i know Lelouch is a tough one to break in this department, so i can deal. It just seems wrong to me that she can make more progress in a couple of eps when he got other stuff to do than in a whole year(or t when the only thing he's doing is to take care of a psycho(okay, that's probably a lot of work, hehe). About the letter, i know it could be lost, but the first time i saw it, it looked like a big cliffhanger (OMG! WTF she's going to do with that letter? Maybe she will remember something and win against the geass?) but it seems like the scene never existed in R2, since she never mention about. Even when she regain her memories she didn't say something like "ah, i understand that letter now". A shame, but i think it was for good. Who knows what a Shirley that don't care for Lelouch could have did what that... |
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Of course, the real truth is that we don't know what went on exactly during that year. Although, I guess it would've been pretty interesting if Lelouch and Shirley were really in a romantic relationship at the start of R2 that could've caused some problems. |
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2009-05-08, 03:42 | Link #64 | |
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2009-05-08, 04:14 | Link #65 |
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I'd just like to correct you guys that she didn't fall in love with him because of that incident in traffic--though it was a start. As she said, that's when her interest in him was piqued, and as Suzaku pointed out, it evolved from there into love.
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BTW, when did Suzaku say that? |
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2009-05-08, 04:28 | Link #67 | |
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mh, Nobody, now that you mention that, it would have been much more of a cruel thing to Shirlulu fans, but quite interesting plot-wise, if Shirley and Lulu were shown as some sort of couple at the beginning of R2 and split apart when he regained his memory as Zero. Cruel, yet a good measure of the price you pay for getting carried away with superhuman powers and the desire of revolutioning te world....
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2009-05-08, 11:18 | Link #69 | |
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2009-05-08, 11:59 | Link #70 | |
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Anyway, I have a question for you all. What do you all think happened to Shirley's mother after her death? I mean, this is a very unfortunate woman, and quite possibly the only person I pity more than Shirley herself. Of course we don't know, and we'll never know what happened to her for sure, so it's just speculation. |
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2009-05-08, 15:27 | Link #72 | |
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Well, i suppose she would just "exist", to remember her lost husband and her daughter. Not even living. |
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2009-05-08, 15:32 | Link #73 | |
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Well, personally I'm not committed to any one idea (since it's just speculation), but I've considered the possibility that she could've died of grief or committed suicide. And then I've gone to the other end considering the possibility that she could've remarried and regained some semblance of happiness. |
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Hmmmmmmmm............Dangit, we gotta keep this thread going people. We need a good topic. Something debatable that could spark some difference of opinion. All right, I have an idea. What do you all think of the kiss at the end of Stage 12? Do you think that Shirley was just using Lelouch for emotional support and to steal a kiss from him, or do you think it was just a very difficult time for her and she just reached out to him because she didn't know what else to do? Well, I am looking through orange-tinted glasses, so I am more inclined to go with the latter. |
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2009-05-09, 00:43 | Link #77 |
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You don't even need to state your opinion, it's obvious, hehe, and i agree with you and not with Mao. C'mon, the girl was destroyed there and kissed Lelouch in a moment of desperation. Shirley didn't know what else she could do. It's not like she really used her father's death to personal gain.
In fact, this scene is sad as hell. Even with the kiss, i can't consider it even a least bit romantic. The main problem with that matter is that no one will say that Mao was right. And if someone say it, well, it's a bad person. |
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Yeah, it's not like i'm trying to diminish the kiss, but it's just one of the saddest scenes in the series. Goddamit, when Shirley appears totally soaked and crying is so sad that can bring tears to the eyes of the most heartless person.
I think this scene is worse than her death, because when she dies, at least she's is happy, because she's dying with the man she loves at her side, here, everyone is sad and will have to live with it, cause Lelouch still is the man that killed her father and she still have to deal with the fact that will never see him again. |
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As for the second part, I assume when you say "never see him again" that "him" refers to her father. But anyway, I have to admit it is a tough call between this scene and her death (not to mention the end of Stage 14) But I think her death scene is really sad because, although she's happy and right by Lelouch, she's still dying and will never be able to live a happy life with Lelouch. Not to mention everyone else will be sad about her death including us, the fans, who have lost a great character. |
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