2022-10-08, 21:03 | Link #61 | |
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And it's nice that she is a bit balanced. Fran won't just take every insult to ridiculous degrees and she won't snap at every single thing either. The one thing I'm curious about is what evolving actually means within this setting. Does she just change into a completely different kind of creature? Is it less obvious physically and more reflected in her stats/status? Be nice if the show just shows someone evolving as a nice reference so I have a good idea what to expect. Not that I think Fran will evolve anytime soon considering how it's a long term goal.
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2022-10-08, 21:48 | Link #62 | ||
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I'm not sure of the Ddurarara one as I never watched it, but wouldnt count any of the others under the criteria of "story defining intelligent weapon that the hero relies on for their power". And neither of the ones that actually have weapons fit the "finding" part very much either, unless they being already super strong entities like gods of disaster in norogami and using a strong weapon counts as "finding" anything. If we're just talking summons, strong ass sword, random people that can turn into swords, blah blah, then sure we've seen plenty. Just for clarity I'll break it down. A show with all of the following:
Though given even in the list provided with out meeting the criteria out of two decades of shows we had to go all the way to zero, and involve the not-even-an-anime nise and rance of all things, I think it's clear just how "common" it is, as in not really common at all. Honestly the only one that comes to mind is that armor girl show or shield hero show but they don't meet the "intelligent" or "finding" criteria either (and they're just strong overall from the start more or less).
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2022-10-08, 22:57 | Link #63 | |||
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But that's it. And there are also plenty of variations on that setting. It's no different from any other popular setting. Quote:
The problem with slavery in this type of story is that heroine remains a slave and is generally subservient and maybe even worshipful towards the MC. Conversely, Fran becomes free at the end of the episode and the MC is the one in a subservient relationship with her. But this has gone completely over your head. Quote:
And in Zero no Tsukaima, the MC does pick up an intelligent sword, it's called Derfflinger. It was never a human and doesn't even have a human form. Kyōkai Senk is a different example. The MC finds a giant robot that is controlled by an intelligent AI. I'm not sure why you are obsessing on the "magic weapon" part. For example, I was also thinking of Xiania type stuff where the MC picks up some magic ring that has a soul of an old master in it. |
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2022-10-09, 15:48 | Link #64 | |
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2022-10-12, 16:02 | Link #69 | |
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Official Japanese Airing is actually 1 Week behind early Chinese Streaming. So, technically, HiDive is actually doing a Simulcast when compared to Japanese airing. Its just Chinese Streaming site is getting early access.
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2022-10-12, 18:48 | Link #71 | ||
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Posts trying to claim that this show has a novel premise miss the point; combining cliched elements in an less hackneyed combination is still an Isekai made up entirely of cliches, and not well-used or beloved ones.
Fran quickly takes over from sword as another tedious overpowered MC, still quite dependent on sword powers. She's cute, but no Kana Kamui, showing the emotional depth of a puddle in response to horrible experiences. Other weapons having greater base strength than the sword was a decent idea, ruined by sword and Fran fussing over a problem that's predictably insignificant. Human guard failing to deal with a few goblins so Fran can slaughter them was very clumsy; Fran exclusively facing prejudice this ep from other beastpeople isn't a good representation of the real, full problem. The receptionist should've been able to threaten guild sanctions before the very tedious fight at the end ever happened. The main fight with the ogre was kinetic and not altogether bad, but nigh-unlimited magic makes a nonsense of tactics. Quote:
If Fran was Raphtalia, this show would be as unfit for human consumption as Shield Hero. Her having been a slave and continuing to be dependent on sword-guy's OP JPG powers are lesser offences, but they are offences, as I've plainly stated already. Overpowered protagonists and JPG mechanics poorly reflect any real or believable situation, destroying narrative tension and WSOD. Overpowered male protagonists from the target-audience ethnic group, deliberated inserted into a foreign setting as a 'white-saviour' represent a toxic male and culturally chauvinist fantasy, and all these elements, along with European fantasy settings, have been done to death. Prejudice is dislike without reason; if Isekai stories have these genuine flaws, criticism of them isn't prejudice. Some of them pull it off, like Log Horizon, but not this one. Quote:
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2022-10-12, 20:25 | Link #72 |
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Meh so what if it's cliched stuff that's a dime a dozen in Isekai. It's what I came to see.
Fran enjoying the simpler things in life and being cute doing it is a delight. Now lets see how she does in her first big endurance fight. She's obviously a match for any Goblin but being attacked by large mobs of them without rest is difficult. Go on Fran, make Goblin Slayer proud of you!
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2022-10-12, 22:18 | Link #74 | |
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Additionally, even if you say that it does because he was hoping for a cute girl or something, thing is that this much is pretty typical in both directions: people often want to be partnered to an attractive member of the opposite sex. This doesn't mean that a man who wants to be wielded by a woman or wants to help a woman who's in trouble is looking down on women anymore than a woman who wants a male traveling companion/wielder and/or wants to provide aid to men she sees in need is looking down on them. I won't deny that the selection of a cute girl as the partner was definitely deliberate, but not because of any ridiculous prejudices or chauvinism; it's just that they know people like cute girls, and I say people because even a lot of female audience members like cute girls. It's just fitting the narrating character to the gender and character most similar to the majority of their audience, and the character that does the fighting to a gender and appearance that would be most aesthetically pleasing. There's absolutely no need to go imagining some "girls need a strong man to guide and protect them" theme. A long time ago I heard a saying, something like "don't be too quick to attribute to hate what can easily be explained by stupidity". I wouldn't say it applies directly here, but the general point is that there are often plenty of reasons for decisions made that have absolutely nothing to do with any kind of negative feelings or prejudices. If you go looking for a reason for something to be hateful you can almost certainly find it anywhere you look, but frequently that's just a way it can be construed and has nothing to do with what's actually in the creator's mind. Last edited by BWTraveller; 2022-10-12 at 22:37. |
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2022-10-12, 22:30 | Link #75 | |
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Most of us have to wait a week to see it. It feels like the year 2001 once again. Where's my CD drive and dial up connection? |
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Sadly there is a drop-off in animation but not severe, though admittedly it’s hard to be disappointed after seeing cabbage.
50 points if you get that reference. ………..and now I feel old…………… But we’ve still got good material going. Spoiler for sort of:
Sadly, the bad part about reading a manga that’s ahead of the anime is that you find yourself waiting for certain scenes to come instead of just simply waiting for the next episode……. *sob* Quote:
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Fran and Teach realized that “nigh-unlimited” magic wouldn’t mean squat if they let the fight against Donadolondo (what a name) go on for too long. Quote:
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I finished my response because I was already well into it before I realized this, but Ghost is pretty sexist (just like racism, it goes both ways) and this will be all I put up with that foolishness. Ghost, you really need to just stop watching the show because you’re clearly biased and have no intention of seeing anything other than your side, even when the truth will come and kick you in the face here. (especially if they make a second season)
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2022-10-13, 00:24 | Link #77 |
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Some people really need to get out of twitter and tumblr. Because the way they look at shows is unhealthy. Also lol at pulling the white man card against a show targeted at Japanese.
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2022-10-13, 01:07 | Link #78 |
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Am I the only one laughing my ass off that this poster has been throwing a massive tantrum over "self proclaimed sexism" when the MC is a damn sword and essentially doesn't even have a gender.
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2022-10-13, 05:05 | Link #80 |
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Are Blackcats discriminated against mostly by other beast-humans? The normal humans and elves seem to be more chill with that. Or rather often not mentioning the species at all, so they might simply not be too knowledgeable about all the "subspecies" of beast-humans.
I love how Fran manages to simultaneously be absolutely brutal and innocently cute. I also wonder whether the evolution is based simply on level/exp or if they need to do some achievement and will evolve regardless of level. |
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