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Old 2016-06-20, 11:42   Link #7581
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Slightly disappointed that Ainz isn't going to go in and wreck shit with [Perfect Warrior]. At the same time, the fact that he's not allows for the opportunity for this to be a good fight.

Still, the fact that Go Gin is going to lose here means that he's only on the same level as Clementine without her gear.
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Old 2016-06-20, 12:44   Link #7582
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actually Go Gin is stronger than Clementine

Clementine's skills > Go Gin's but Go Gin's racials are far superior to a human, even one who has entered the Domain of Heroes

even Go Gin stated himself that he's so strong because he is a rare breed of War Troll - and that no human could ever hope to match his physical ability

Baziwood (one of the four strongest warriors in the Empire) said that the Four Knights together would not be able to defeat the Martial Lord

Go Gin so far has only ever lost matches when his opponents utilize support magic and/or long range magic against him

He has never lost in a true contest of martial skill


as for Ainz - when he is using Perfect Warrior, he is literally an unstoppable force in New World setting

Perfect Warrior takes his already high base level stats and raises them up even further to the equivalent of a Yggdrasil lv.100 warrior

which is even crazier in New World terms than Ainz with his base level stats as a mage

from what I understand from his preparatory statements in the latest fanfic update - Ainz is disabling his Low Tier Nullifcation (which negates spells and attacks lv.60 and below) and is not going to use Perfect Warrior

Ainz wants to use his own baseline stats as his Overlord magic caster self coupled with his current melee skill level which he estimates to be equivalent to a lv.33 Yggdrasil player

Ainz is doing all of this to see if he can get a level up or rank up on baseline ability
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Old 2016-06-20, 13:19   Link #7583
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Ainz is doing all of this to see if he can get a level up or rank up on baseline ability
Ainz mentioned that he did not level up when he killed those kingdom's soldiers. So he assumed that he is unable to increase its level so he want to increase his other (aside magic) stats.
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Old 2016-06-20, 14:50   Link #7584
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Random thought.
So lot of people are relying on Momon to act as a counter to Ainz Ooal Gown.
Now imagine the faces of any onlookers, if Ainz ever gave a command to PA disguised as Momon, and PA answered "yes father".

Never going to happen, but oh god it would be hilarious.
Also, PA acting as Momon meeting Evileye, the potential for comedy and hijinks would be endless.
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Old 2016-06-20, 15:02   Link #7585
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Actually, Go Gin is stronger than Clementine.
Based on what?

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Clementine's skills > Go Gin's
And by far, at that. According to the latest chapter of the fanfic, Go Gin's skills are only equivalent to those of a strong Silver class adventurer. Clementine is above even Adamantium class.

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Go Gin's racials are far superior to a human, even one who has entered the Domain of Heroes
Which is why he's on the same level as her.

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Even Go Gin stated himself that he's so strong because he is a rare breed of War Troll - and that no human could ever hope to match his physical ability.
Just like no human could ever hope to match Ainz's physical ability; but Clementine was on his level regardless through sheer skill and martial arts abilities.

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Baziwood (one of the four strongest warriors in the Empire) said that the Four Knights together would not be able to defeat the Martial Lord.
Baziwood and his knights are only level 27 or so; it stands to reason that he'd be no match at all for a level ~32 like Clementine, even with teammates.

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Go Gin so far has only ever lost matches when his opponents utilize support magic and/or long range magic against him.
Clementine only ever lost to Ainz, and her fellow Black Scriptures, who are beyond anyone Go Gin has ever faced.

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Ainz is disabling his Low Tier Nullifcation (which negates spells and attacks lv.60 and below) and is not going to use Perfect Warrior.

Ainz wants to use his own baseline stats as his Overlord magic caster self coupled with his current melee skill level which he estimates to be equivalent to a lv.33 Yggdrasil player.
Exactly my point. Which means he's going to be fighting Go-Gin even weaker than he was against Clementine. If it weren't for his High Tier Physical Nullification and Magic Invalidation, (and of course, ridiculously high HP) she would have had the advantage in that fight.
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Old 2016-06-20, 16:31   Link #7586
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Based on what?
based on the fact one of the best knights in the Empire says their top 4 warriors together cannot beat 1 War Troll

Clementine was slightly superior to Gazef in terms of character level and martial arts skills

Gazef is considered superior to the Four Knights in terms of level and martial arts but not enough to overcome them 2v1

so going by that - there is no way Clementine could take on the Four Knights all at once

but the Martial Lord can - and the Emperor noted to himself that Baziwood told him he could take on all 4 very easily

so there is really no reason to doubt Baziwood's claim here

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And by far, at that. According to the latest chapter of the fanfic, Go Gin's skills are only equivalent to those of a strong Silver class adventurer. Clementine is above even Adamantium class.
Clementine is at Adamantium class level - not above it

the only people in the Slaine Theocracy above Adamantium level are the 3 God-kin they possess

Clementine's level is roughly 34ish - comparable to the likes of Gazef (29), Brain(28), and Gagaran(28)

though while she is stronger than those 3, Clementine isn't far above their level

which is why Ainz said that he wouldn't take the fight with Clementine seriously when they fought because crazypants made the remark that no one in the Kingdom could match her but Gazef Stronoff, Brain Unglass, a drop from Red, and a warrior from Blue. (Ainz knew at that point from his previous encounter with Gazef, Ainz could rofflestomp him and thus her)

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Which is why he's on the same level as her.
here you are confusing warrior skills to overall character level and racial talents

what makes Go Gin above Clementine isn't his martial arts - it is his baseline level coupled with racial talents

Go Gin is at minimum a lv.40 but would also have a racial line of talents that would be considered "ELITE" in the New World

again Go Gin basically admits to his manager - he really isn't that strong skill wise - it is just because he's a rare breed of War Troll, humans cannot approach the raw power and defensive strengths he was born with

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Just like no human could ever hope to match Ainz's physical ability; but Clementine was on his level regardless through sheer skill and martial arts abilities.
here you are actually underestimating just how OP Ainz really is

Ainz is OP physically because he's a lv.100 in a world where the greatest of heroes would only rate a lv.60

again Clementine would rate a lv.34 in Yggdrasil terms

it was never even close to being a fair contest

and that's not all

Momonga was a super grinder who maxed out his caster stats and put most of his spare points into his strength stat for role playing purposes

that further translated him into having a high strength value when in the New World - making Ainz OP as a magic caster just swinging a sword around

he still 1 shots everything even though he has no warrior skills

Clementine was never on Ainz's level - she couldn't even sniffed his atmosphere

Clementine was just skilled enough to evade and riposte Ainz's base level sword swings (again while he is just bullshitting around in his magic caster state)

in addition, Ainz was a newbie on the ropes learning the basics of swordfighting - he was using his faux fight against Clementine to improve his melee skills and gauge how potent the martial arts magic system is

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Baziwood and his knights are only level 27 or so; it stands to reason that he'd be no match at all for a level ~32 like Clementine, even with teammates.
against all Four Knights - Clementine would have no shot

she probably couldn't handle 2 at a time

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Clementine only ever lost to Ainz, and her fellow Black Scriptures, who are beyond anyone Go Gin has ever faced.
but here's the thing - Clementine never fought anyone like Go Gin either - a War Troll with extraordinary prowess

so you can't really make that comparison either

at best we can predict Clementine fought humans at the adamantite level - but not much else

but Go Gin has fought the highest ranked adamantite adventure teams in the Empire and City-States and the previous Martial Lord before them

and won against almost all of them

Go Gin is considered powerful enough in the Empire that the only person that could truly defeat him 1 on 1 is Fluder

and Fluder is considered a magic caster superior to the 13 Heroes (their character levels are 50-60 to give you an idea)

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Exactly my point. Which means he's going to be fighting Go-Gin even weaker than he was against Clementine. If it weren't for his High Tier Physical Nullification and Magic Invalidation, (and of course, ridiculously high HP) she would have had the advantage in that fight.
while Ainz is putting a real handicap on himself in this coming fight with Go Gin, Ainz is actually far more skilled now in melee than he was when he fought Clementine

Clementine never had any advantage in their fight - she could only evade and parry Ainz's base level noob swings

even if Ainz wasn't using his low tier nullification passive - she still couldn't do jack shit for damage because their level difference was just too great

Ainz is nearly 70 full levels higher than Clementine

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Old 2016-06-20, 16:52   Link #7587
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And by far, at that. According to the latest chapter of the fanfic, Go Gin's skills are only equivalent to those of a strong Silver class adventurer. Clementine is above even Adamantium classl
It specifically says his level as warrior. It does not include his racial levels.
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Exactly my point. Which means he's going to be fighting Go-Gin even weaker than he was against Clementine. If it weren't for his High Tier Physical Nullification and Magic Invalidation, (and of course, ridiculously high HP) she would have had the advantage in that fight.
Ainz has learned finally how to fight a bit with weapons . If he were to fight clementine now (scripture gear excluded) he would not have as many problems.
Furthermore she is more of a speed chara with thrust attacks , not the best against skeletons.
Think of Ainz as of a just little bit weaker death knight.
Even with the gear there is almost noone in scripture eho can defeat a dk
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Old 2016-06-20, 19:46   Link #7588
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IMO, Clementine was a rather specialised fighter. Her entire fighting style appeared to be geared towards speed, with a focus on scoring critical hits by attacking her opponents weakpoints, like the eyes or throat.
Even her equipment was selected for that purpose: her opponent would never know her weapons were enchanted until she used them for the killing blow.
To make it short, she is more like an assassin than a warrior. If she was fighting against a human, you could probably increase her level by +5 or something, but in return you would have to decrease it by -5 or -10 if she has to fight against a non-human or an undead. And most importantly: We never saw her with her Black Scripture Gear. Considering the effects powerful equipment has in this world, the Clementine Ainz fought can be considered a few levels lower again (When thinking about her claims about fighting strength).

Also, it might be just me but just because we have a (racial) level 20 human, it doesn't mean that the human's stats are higher than those of a (racial) level 10 troll.
And let's not forget innate racial abilities...
Even if Go Gin is "just" level 25 (or even level 20), in the new world he would still be more powerful than a level 30 human.

Overall, I agree with fishstick more than I do with Mongame's arguments...
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Old 2016-06-20, 21:09   Link #7589
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based on the fact one of the best knights in the Empire says their top 4 warriors together cannot beat 1 War Troll.
Yeah, those Knights are only level ~27. Someone who stands in the realm of heroes (30+) is far beyond them. Once the level gap exceeds ~5, according to Lakyus, victory is nearly impossible even with a balanced team.

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Clementine was slightly superior to Gazef in terms of character level and martial arts skills.
She'd win almost every time.

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Gazef is considered superior to the Four Knights in terms of level and martial arts but not enough to overcome them 2v1.
Arguable; Gazef even said in Volume 9 that he didn't consider any of the Four Knights a threat. Hell, he actually did kill two of them in one of the previous skirmishes with the Empire. Then again, it's possible he had the treasures equipped for that, which may well make him stronger than Clementine w/out her gear.

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There is no way Clementine could take on the Four Knights all at once.
I think it's possible.

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Clementine is at Adamantium class level -- not above it.
That's because Adamantium class is described as anything above level ~26. Evileye and Rigrit are both 50+ and considered Adamantium class.

What I meant was that Clementine was well above the majority of Adamantium-rated warriors. Even the man who was considered the strongest in the surrounding countries, Gazef, had not stepped into the realm she had.

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The only people in the Slaine Theocracy above Adamantium level are the 3 God-kin they possess.
The two Godkin, you mean.

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Clementine's level is roughly 34ish - comparable to the likes of Gazef (29), Brain(28), and Gagaran(28)
I actually doubt Clementine is that high. If she is, then there shouldn't be any doubt at all that she'd most certainly wipe the floor with the Four Knights. A Death Knight (level 35) could certainly do it; Baziwood's admitted the Empire's party in Volume 9 would be slaughtered by one of them.

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Ainz said that he wouldn't take the fight with Clementine seriously when they fought because crazypants made the remark that no one in the Kingdom could match her but Gazef Stronoff, Brain Unglass, a drop from Red, and a warrior from Blue.
That's because Ainz is level 100, man. Obviously she's not remotely near his class; that doesn't mean she's not above Gazef's.

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here you are confusing warrior skills to overall character level and racial talents
I'm not; I'm talking about their warrior skills purely.

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Go Gin is at minimum a lv.40
Dude, there's no way at all he's that strong.

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Ainz is OP physically because he's a lv.100 in a world where the greatest of heroes would only rate a lv.60

again Clementine would rate a lv.34 in Yggdrasil terms
Actually, it is fair, because Ainz is a Magic Caster with relatively low physical stats. As was just stated in the fanfiction, Ainz's overall capability without magic is only the equivalent of a level 33 Warrior Player. That is, if he doesn't use Perfect Warrior, which he won't against Go Gin.

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It was never even close to being a fair contest.
Yeah, because her attacks couldn't damage Ainz, who has passive immunity to attacks level 60 and below.

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Clementine was never on Ainz's level - she couldn't even sniffed his atmosphere

Clementine was just skilled enough to evade and riposte Ainz's base level sword swings.
This is blatantly contradictory, unless you're saying she's no match for his magical capabilities, which is redundant to even mention.

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Clementine never fought anyone like Go Gin either - a War Troll with extraordinary prowess
If you're assuming she never fought her brother or any of their colleagues, sure.

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At best we can predict Clementine fought humans at the adamantite level - but not much else.
Go Gin is Adamantium class.

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Go Gin is considered powerful enough in the Empire that the only person that could truly defeat him 1 on 1 is Fluder.
That's because the next strongest person behind Fluder was Erya Uzruth, who was weaker than Clementine.

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and Fluder is considered a magic caster superior to the 13 Heroes (their character levels are 50-60 to give you an idea)
False. Fluder, a pure-magic build, can only use sixth tier magic; tiers of magic are unlocked every seven levels. If he were above level 42, he would be able to use 7th tier magic, but he can't, so he isn't. The fact that he couldn't defeat a Level 35 Death Knight (as stated in Volume 7) by himself is only proof of this.

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Ainz is putting a real handicap on himself in this coming fight with Go Gin, Ainz is actually far more skilled now in melee than he was when he fought Clementine.
Why? He literally says that it was during his fight with Clementine that he developed his sword skills; and that's something that's been referenced multiple times across several of the novels.

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Clementine never had any advantage in their fight - she could only evade and parry Ainz's base level noob swings.
She never had the advantage because she couldn't damage him. The fact of the matter was that she was landing hits, and he wasn't.

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It specifically says his level as warrior. It does not include his racial levels.
I'm aware, I'm referring to his skills and ability to use martial arts.

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Ainz has learned finally how to fight a bit with weapons . If he were to fight clementine now (scripture gear excluded) he would not have as many problems.
Again, where is your proof of this? According to Ainz himself, it was during his fight with Clementine that he obtained those skills.

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Think of Ainz as of a just little bit weaker death knight.
Even with the gear there is almost noone in scripture eho can defeat a dk
I do, and I strongly doubt that's the case.

Or, rather, let me rephrase; because they wield legendary class items, most people in the Black Scripture should be able to kill a Death Knight. With normal gear like Clementine was wearing, I agree that very few could handle one.

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Also, it might be just me but just because we have a (racial) level 20 human, it doesn't mean that the human's stats are higher than those of a (racial) level 10 troll.
And let's not forget innate racial abilities...
Even if Go Gin is "just" level 25 (or even level 20), in the new world he would still be more powerful than a level 30 human.
In terms of pure physical stats, that might be true, but no; levels are levels. A level 100 human player can defeat a level 100 monster. The same applies here; while it's true that monsters have stronger base stats due to their racial levels, that just means they don't have as many job levels as humans, which unlock abilities like Martial Arts that even the odds.
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Old 2016-06-20, 21:21   Link #7590
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Just to clarify, I do think Go Gin is stronger than Clementine is, overall. That being said, I was expecting him to be much stronger than her, but it's obvious with this last chapter's release that he's not going to be.

If I had to guess myself, Clementine would be around level 31-32. Go Gin should be right around 34, all things considered. Unless he loses terribly tomorrow.
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Old 2016-06-20, 21:34   Link #7591
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Random thought.
So lot of people are relying on Momon to act as a counter to Ainz Ooal Gown.
Now imagine the faces of any onlookers, if Ainz ever gave a command to PA disguised as Momon, and PA answered "yes father".
Onlookers : Noooooooo!! That's not true!! That's impossible!!
Ainz : It's true. and we will rule the world together, as father and son.
Albedo : What about me!?
Shalltear : Me too!!


Well seriously, that would make an intriguing story. Many people thought Momon was a royalty from a destroyed country. What if that imaginary country was crushed from inside by a mad king who decided to turn himself into an Elder Lich, Namely Ainz? I just know that dialogue from clueless human characters regarding this matter would be really interesting.
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Old 2016-06-20, 22:39   Link #7592
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In terms of pure physical stats, that might be true, but no; levels are levels. A level 100 human player can defeat a level 100 monster. The same applies here; while it's true that monsters have stronger base stats due to their racial levels, that just means they don't have as many job levels as humans, which unlock abilities like Martial Arts that even the odds.
I don't understand the reasoning behind that logic...
As far as I am aware, humanity in the New World isn't getting trashed because everyone else around them is magically spawning 5-10 levels higher, it is because a level 5 Human will always loose against a level 5 monster. Not just because of the stat-difference, there are also certain abilities you unlock once you reach specific levels.

Thinking back on vol1, it was stated in a short paragraph that "humanoid" players include the classic fantasy races: humans, dwarves, elves etc...
Demi-human players receive a bonus on specific stats in exchange for minor drawbacks, while heteromorphic players receive special abilities and stats in exchange for severe drawbacks and restrictions to their playing style.
I think this was even mention in some of the flashbacks Ainz had, where we could see that slime-players had to get a certain Item to become able to [do-something-that-I-can't-recall-right-now] for example.

Our only sources for Yggdrasil class-combos are the denizens of Nazarick, and I can't remember any of the "Races" shown to be over level 15. (10 apparently being the "normal" maximum)
Which means that your argument of "unlocking fewer job classes/skills as humans" is kinda wobbly, isn't it? Because a monster would loose at most 15 job-levels, and at level 100 that appears to be a rather thin difference, especially if you add the stats/ability bonus they receive form said race-class on top of that.

Taking this as base, humanity in the New World is screwed because they need to outlevel their opponents just to be on an even playingfield (stat-wise).
Coupled with the fact that they have to "play it save" because there is no respawn, they are at a severe disadvantage since they have to go after "lower-leveled threats" which would reduce the "XP" they get.
All that explains humanity's current situation and why there are only three human countries.


So what are you basing that argument on? Maybe I'm just not getting it because it is rather late for me and I'm too tired, but basing everything on levels and saying "this one is x levels lower, therefore he has absolutely no chance" seems kinda silly to me. Levels are a rough indicator of abilities but they say nothing about the lethality.
New World's humanity has to face a rather heavy stat-disadvantage where 5 levels can determine if you have a chance or not, but we are talking about people who commonly range somewhere between 10 and 20. At this level-range, having 5 extraclasses of warrior will not save anyone...


If we have two identical Yggdrasil players at level 100, where one has 15 levels of "Human" and the other 15 Levels of "Troll"... I would say the troll will win everytime, unless the human happens to have the perfect counter for the troll, or is a strategic player like Ainz.
Therefore: Levels are NOT levels, and being the same level as your opponent doesn't mean you have a chance to defeat them.
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Old 2016-06-21, 00:48   Link #7593
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Okay, after rereading the part about the Theocracy. Is it just me or do they actually seem legitimately like good guys?
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Old 2016-06-21, 01:09   Link #7594
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Liking Go Gin here.
I hate how often you see non human species still following human aesthetics, glad to see it not happening here.
Well if Go Gin is too big for Osk, I'm rather certain he's too big for any female human. Go Gin seems smart enough to know that, plus if you think about he'd most likely kill any human partner if he actively tried to procreate with them.

@Namorax: The slime item I think you're referring to as one that allows them to see with normal vision, since slimes mainly see things through a motion detection sense.

There's also more than three human countries outside the main three. There's the Roble Holy Kingdom with their national hero being a Valkryie Knight with a 'Sacred Blade', and the Dragonic Kingdom whose royal family is descended from the Brightness DL but other than that is composed of humans who the Beastman Country is conquering/eating.

Also you're forgetting that humans only get the one racial level in human. Though that frees them up to spend all their other 99 levels on job classes.

This is just me being nit-picky but I thought racial levels mainly increased your base stats as well as gave you bonus attributes along with exclusive skills, while job classes provided a buff to your stats based on your base stats like base stat of attack, defense, etc.. of x multiplied by 1.xxx due to job class along with giving you more skills and exclusive job skills. This sounds more video game like since you'd have to carefully craft a character to make them as strong as possible. The base stat bonus of racial levels would have to be weighed heavily vs the stat multipliers of job classes in order to get the highest stats possible before factoring in equipment, weapons, and resistances. The disadvantage to humanoids would be the lower base stats compared to everyone else, while demi-humans and heteromorphs' disadvantages would be things like either job restrictions or penalties as well as being weak to specific attributes of damage. One good example would be Ainz being undead therefore having Holy and Fire damage weaknesses. Can someone with knowledge of D&D clarify this since Overlord is heavily inspired by it?
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Well seriously, that would make an intriguing story. Many people thought Momon was a royalty from a destroyed country. What if that imaginary country was crushed from inside by a mad king who decided to turn himself into an Elder Lich, Namely Ainz? I just know that dialogue from clueless human characters regarding this matter would be really interesting.
I just imagine the butthurt which that NW would have if they were told that Ainz was originally a human.

Or even more if that his character was built in-game

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Okay, after rereading the part about the Theocracy. Is it just me or do they actually seem legitimately like good guys?
Aside anthropocentrism, they are indeed not that bad

Also who is stronger? Martial Lord or The Giant of the East ? They are both war trolls after all.
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Old 2016-06-21, 02:47   Link #7596
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Why did Ainz tell that merchant he can't use that spell for another 10 years?

That's a lie, right?
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Old 2016-06-21, 03:06   Link #7597
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Why did Ainz tell that merchant he can't use that spell for another 10 years?

That's a lie, right?
It was explained earlier. If someone else were to use that spell it would put the blame on him.In yggdrasil it was normal to make guilds fight each other by tricking them.
He is trying to avoid this.
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I don't understand the reasoning behind that logic...
As far as I am aware, humanity in the New World isn't getting trashed because everyone else around them is magically spawning 5-10 levels higher, it is because a level 5 Human will always loose against a level 5 monster. Not just because of the stat-difference, there are also certain abilities you unlock once you reach specific levels.
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If we have two identical Yggdrasil players at level 100, where one has 15 levels of "Human" and the other 15 Levels of "Troll"... I would say the troll will win everytime, unless the human happens to have the perfect counter for the troll, or is a strategic player like Ainz.
Therefore: Levels are NOT levels, and being the same level as your opponent doesn't mean you have a chance to defeat them.
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This is just me being nit-picky but I thought racial levels mainly increased your base stats as well as gave you bonus attributes along with exclusive skills, while job classes provided a buff to your stats based on your base stats like base stat of attack, defense, etc.. of x multiplied by 1.xxx due to job class along with giving you more skills and exclusive job skills. This sounds more video game like since you'd have to carefully craft a character to make them as strong as possible. The base stat bonus of racial levels would have to be weighed heavily vs the stat multipliers of job classes in order to get the highest stats possible before factoring in equipment, weapons, and resistances. The disadvantage to humanoids would be the lower base stats compared to everyone else, while demi-humans and heteromorphs' disadvantages would be things like either job restrictions or penalties as well as being weak to specific attributes of damage. One good example would be Ainz being undead therefore having Holy and Fire damage weaknesses. Can someone with knowledge of D&D clarify this since Overlord is heavily inspired by it?

The way I originally understood this story is that humanoids (including humans) have NO race levels and therefore must put all of their levels into jobs. In regards to this, I understand that a lvl 100 human player is roughly equal to a lvl 100 heteromorphic player, but they have different specialties. Particularly the heteromorphic player has more strengths and weaknesses. Additionally, I think it was stated somewhere in the first volume that the max level for any job or race was 15, so you had to have multiple jobs or races.

With this in mind, I have two theories for why humanity is doing so poorly in the new world. My first theory is that other races have an advantage in that they gain racial levels at the same rate they gain job levels, so the average non-human is twice as strong as the average human. My other theory is that since this is no longer bound by game logic, other races simply have more advantages than humans.

Since no one we know of native to the new world has reached level 100, that doesn't seem to be a constraint like in the game, in that no creature has gained enough levels to hit it.

Mangafreak44 - The theocracy are good guys to the humans only. For other races they're enemies.
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Old 2016-06-21, 07:49   Link #7599
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My understanding was that Demi-humans and heteromorphic races were inherently stronger (even if it is not that much) than a normal humanoid player. The humanoids are jack-of-all-trades, having no restrictions, while the other races have one thing they are really, really good at.

A level 100 human necromancer should never be as good/strong as a level 100 lich necromancer for example. They might have to use certain class-combos or items to get on the same level (or close to it) as the Lich, but being equal just like that? After the Lich had to go through all that trouble with his weaknesses, etc. just to get too level 100, while the human has (comperatively) smooth sailing?
The impression I had from the first volume where the concept was introduced, was that heteromorphic players get to play the "hard" mode of the game.
Why would you choose a race for your one and only character that gives you a totally different experience of the game?
You are not allowed to play certain classes, you will have heavy weaknesses against at least one element and who knows what else there is.

Why would someone choose to play a race like that in an MMO when any human player can just do the same things without having to bother with these limitations?
Because they are masochistic? Because of the aesthetics of being a slime?

From a game perspective, it makes sense that a heteromorphic player will be a bit stronger than a human player, just to make up for all the disadvantages. And if we apply the concept to the New World...

Humans might have more jobclasses available, but that only means they have multiple ways of killing an enemy. An heteromorphic player only needs one, and they will probably be very good at using that.
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Wouldn't it be great if one of the hooded Scriptures that came to see Jerky was Clementine's brother? Then he sees those Stilettos...
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