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Most of the deaths are designed to be cruel deaths that shock you, and in fact they have a bigger impact on more mature children, not less. (A child who understands these concepts is more mature than one who doesn't, for example, yet the latter may not be phased by these things but the former will.) Quote:
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2006-08-15, 07:57 | Link #44 |
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Friday 17:00 for Victory Gundam http://www.d4.dion.ne.jp/~warapon/data02/media-0325.htm
Saturday 17:30 for Zeta (wiki) (I wasn't sure exactly what time it was, turns out earlier than I remember) These could be considered a children's slot I guess, but it depends when childrens slots are defined. Over here, children's television ends at 17:00 and they start showing cooking/gameshow before the primetime slots. NGE was aired only an hour later than these slots (in a more prime-time position), and I wouldn't consider that aimed at children either. http://www.allcinema.net/prog/show_c.php?num_c=89000 Victory has a similar level of violence to NGE, possibly a bit more. Last edited by Poseidal; 2006-08-15 at 08:08. |
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Thanks for the info.
17:00 is pretty much a perfect afterschool time slot for the Japanese market. G Gundam, Gundam Wing, and Gundam X were also all aired in the same slot, so it's quite obvious that they were all intended for the same audience as well.
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Hmm, I think we have crossed wires.
I would say Gundam is aimed at Teen/Young Adult, not Children; mainly Middle-High School and College. Children, I would think as twelve or under; I wouln't show many UC Gundam shows to them as it would either be too violent or too boring for them. |
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We are thinking the same thing: kids 12 and under. UC Gundam is no more violent than a great many anime for children. Strangely enough, the older shows seem to be more likely to have more violence than the newer ones. Having characters dying may be depressing, but it can be found in shows as kid-friendly as Sailor Moon. There’s even non-North America mainstream kids shows that have lots of cruel deaths as well – Doctor Who comes immediately to mind.
UC shows may be too violent for children, but that’s mostly a case of cultural differences. Anime, and many, many other kinds of older shows used to be much slower-paced than we are used to now. They would only boring for children now because people’s tastes have changed. Speaking for myself, I would have loved watching UC Gundam shows as a child; in fact, I would have probably enjoyed it more then than I do now. As a rule, anime TV shows are all designed for kids. The only exceptions are the ones that air in late-night time slots. Gundam TV shows are not among them.
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Well, I would say as 'designed for kids' as the Star Trek TV series' (all of them); the two strike me as being about the same level as far as this goes (UC only).
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V Gundam is quite f-ed up...I watched it a year ago with i Was 16 and god dam it...it really made me go "wtf is tomino thinking".
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I find it interesting how similar V gundam is to Evangelion, which Tomino himself also hates. Some of the general underlying themes are quite similar. I guess Anno and Tomino both share a common anger about the "stagnant" anime industry. Is also interesting to note the Aum Sarin gas attack happens only 2 years after the show, so V gundam in a sense does relate much to the state of society at that period. And then of course you have all those Fredian psychology sholved into it, espeically in the end with angel halo making everyone go kind of psychotic. I too find V gundam "wierd". I don't find it depressing but rather an odd show. It clearly shows that Tomino didnt like it. I think it is one of the worst gundam series Tomino made. I wonder if Fukuda is quietly agreeing with Tomino with the Astray girls near the end. He did say he watched V gundam before making SEED. |
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I merely brought up the example of Doctor Who to show that what may be considered mature content could easily be considered appropriate for children in other cultures, or at different times. While UC Gundam were children's shows in Japan, they could easily be deemed to be adult fare in North America. However, this does not change the fact that they were primarily made for children. Quote:
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There is simply no connection between the gas attack and Zanscare. Nor is there real similarity between Evangelion and Victory. In addition, Victory doesn't exactly explore any really unusual themes – even Zeta does a little more in this regard. flamingtroll, you're reading way too much into it.
I never paid much heed to what Fukuda said in his interviews, and I'm not going to pay much heed to what Tomino said either. In any case, there's a six-year separation between said interview and the production of Victory. What Tomino said in the one may not have applied to the other. To me, he sounds like one of those bitter old men who tells teenagers (whipper-snappers!) to stay off his lawn. In a way, I blame him for many of the problems plaguing Gundam.
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Evangelion and Victory does have similarity, espeically when Evangelion is obviously influenced by Ideon, another of Tomino's work, as well as quite a few old super robot show. The idea of Newtype, where mankind evolved into a higher state of mutual understanding, is echoed by Evangelion's story of human instrumentality-Anno's answer to this idea that has had a great effect on otaku culture(Newtype megazine did get his name from that term), who Anno himself is part of. The concept itself is quite similar to the Zanscare's Angel Halo. The dominate psychological theme of returning to the infant state, or in the case of Evangelion, returning to the womb is also evident in both series. They also have similarity in reflecting some of the social psyche present at that time in Japan. The general depression that occurs at that time, around when the Japan has its economic bubble burst. I find the way you base your opinions on rather interesting. You don't pay attention what the he said and yet you immediately conjure up an image about him as an old man to tell teenagers to stay off his lawn when in fact that isnt even the case. It is in the same said interview that he thinks Gundam should be left the the new generation. He is merely stating his view as a hindsight, which I think is the basis of his depression when he made V Gundam. Last edited by flamingtroll; 2006-08-17 at 19:05. |
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There is a connection, but a topic that is not detailedly delved into in the series. The assertion is that Zanscare reflect the mentality of some people in Japan in the ealry 90s. And as evidence I supply the article. Unless of course you didnt even bother reading it. The kind of idea I am getting at here is something like how Lord of The Rings relfected the world during World War II, this is commonly recognized by many literary scholars. There is however no giant evil spirit living beside a volcano anywhere near germany. Nor it is within the story of LOTR alone talks about the fall of Sauron and all that. It is done mostly in the views of Frodo and some of the characters around them. Quote:
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