The Mage Will Master Magic Efficiently In His Second Life (Re: Master Magic)

[Rasty]

Originally Posted by Kaito Yamakage

Ch 80 and still going good here, it does feel pretty shounen but it has a nice mix of stats/lvls, the heroines are solid as well with developing relationships (though the MC is dense to everything but magic).

About my only complaint so far is the MC doesn't have much creativity in his magic, though then again this isn't an isekai reincarnation but an old man who spent his entire life focusing on nothing but fire suddenly opening up to the rest of magic. Make more god damn unique magic!

It takes whole years up to decades even for great mages to create one spell, not like he is gonna create one before breakfast than go monster hunting and create second before sleep.

Originally Posted by Von Himmel

Spoiler:

I'm pretty sure that person is in coma for just three years instead of decade, also he still managed to catch up quickly and get some ridiculous bonus at the end of the arc.

Also considering who's the retard that lets the enemy who kills one of the girl and how their first encounter goes, he's still under impression that he can't believe in magic association.

Anyway I mostly quick skimmed it and only read Cloud(claude? crowd?) chapter but I'm quite sure that I'm right, at least for the coma duration.

But still. For the MA (magic association):

Spoiler for Major spoiler:

Magic association top class agent goes berserk and almost succesfully torture the MC to death even though the MA knew he has these tendencies and he not only does not blame MA, he even lets them take him into arrest (though he has the option not to) instead of killing him (for free, of course). Then they make extreme screw up and let him run now new and stronger with his prisson budy and he is free to execute his vengeance (as they send only few uncapable agents after him and in reality just strenghten him so). Then the MC is attacked and after hard fighting defeats him in self defense (well not, but who cares) and after such a major screw up of MA he not only don't try to blame them or gain something from them, he lets himself get scolded for destroying part of a forest in the fight?!

So recapitulation: THEIR besrerk TOP CLASS agent trained by THEM, even though he always used to be largely mad, alive because after trying to kill MC THEY gave the order for it, and because of THEIR screw up escaped prisoner get all necessary equipment because of THEIR screw up number n and after THEY can't catch him he attacks MC, who barely manages to survive. Result: MC gets scolded for destroying part of a forest as he of course should have taken care about the (for most part unimportant in this universe) nature while fighting for his life...
And yeah, the MC thinks this is just, puts his tail between his legs and begs for forgiveness...

Spoiler for the time durration:

sorry, I just guessed the decade (of comma) as I rage-quit the momet I read about him waking up after many years of comma.

[Wurstorff]

Hmm... it's not that bad. Or rather, it's not bad like that? It certainly is not the amazing high point of the story that the author has hoped for, but that's mainly due to the plot holes. After a first justification, the anti-magic worms are entirely forgotten. Even when the justification doesn't hold anymore, and then some. The antagonist completely and utterly ignores even the most basic rules behind Magic Nullification. And then there's how (that) he managed to obtain his final surprise, given the circumstances...

The Dispatch Magi's (god I hate that name) actions and circumstances are pretty reasonable though, all things considered. Were you maybe using machine translations?


Edit: Oh, right. That antagonist? Unlike your assumption, he was never top-class. Bottom-rung, really, just like three of his pursuers.

[Von Himmel]

he even lets them take him into arrest (though he has the option not to) instead of killing him (for free, of course)

Spoiler:

Uuuuh, didn't someone stop him from killing the edgy guy and that someone isn't someone who can be beaten at his current level? It's pretty much MA fault. The MC wanted to kill him at first anyway but well, if push come to shove he'll get beaten by the girl especially with his current condition. Also the proposed punishment sounds better than killing him anyway, that is of course IF they didn't somehow managed to get him escape.

Anyway they're not an association where he can just yell 'FUCK OFF' and then proceed to steamrolled them all. I think only the current MC state have a chance to do that but I don't think MC will be in trouble with them for now.

[Rasty]

Originally Posted by Wurstorff

The Dispatch Magi's (god I hate that name) actions and circumstances are pretty reasonable though, all things considered. Were you maybe using machine translations?

No I was not using MT (just mecab), though I have forgotten large parts. The actions are hardly reasonable at some points and the MA is acting fairly arrogant.

Originally Posted by Wurstorff

Edit: Oh, right. That antagonist? Unlike your assumption, he was never top-class. Bottom-rung, really, just like three of his pursuers.

He was 2-star agent. Considering that the MC never even met a 1 star agent in his previous life and other points I think this makes him quite top class. Also the only higher level Dispatch Mage (agent sounds better) we get to know is the 3-star girl.

Originally Posted by Von Himmel

Spoiler:

Uuuuh, didn't someone stop him from killing the edgy guy and that someone isn't someone who can be beaten at his current level? It's pretty much MA fault. The MC wanted to kill him at first anyway but well, if push come to shove he'll get beaten by the girl especially with his current condition. Also the proposed punishment sounds better than killing him anyway, that is of course IF they didn't somehow managed to get him escape.

Anyway they're not an association where he can just yell 'FUCK OFF' and then proceed to steamrolled them all. I think only the current MC state have a chance to do that but I don't think MC will be in trouble with them for now.

Well he got stopped by the 3-star girl, but he had the option to kill him even so (and it would be ok with the law I think) and he could have deffinitely gotten something from giving him to her.

Of course he is not gonna get in trouble with them. He is the type that if they told him he should go to a uranium mines and by his hands mine there for the rest of his (short) life would not even ask about the reason, apologise for living and go there even though he has the power not to do so.

[Von Himmel]

Spoiler:

Well he got stopped by the 3-star girl, but he had the option to kill him even so (and it would be ok with the law I think) and he could have deffinitely gotten something from giving him to her.

Which he tried to do (i mean he literally wanted to cut him there) but is ultimately stopped because From what I remember: He's tired, tried to kill him but stopped, can't fight someone that strong and the proposed punishment sounds good to him. No idea why you're bitching about him being cowardly for letting the villain go.

Here's the excerpt anyway:

「……終わりだ」

　アインベルを構え、グレインに向けて剣を振り下ろす。
　しかし首を狙ったワシの一撃は金属音と共に外れ、グレインの肩から血が噴き出した。
　当然命を奪うまでは至らない。

　疑問の表情を浮かべるワシとグレイン。
　ワシの剣を防いだのはグレインの持っていたものと同じ剣であった。
　持ち主は……。

「アゼリア！？」
「……先輩？」
「悪いがゼフ君、剣を収めてもらえるか？」

　アゼリアが何故ここに……助けに来たのだろうが、ここまでされて引き下がれるか。

「こちらこそ悪いが、グレインには何度も殺されかけたのでね。ハイそうですか、というわけにも いかないな」
「わかっている。当然こいつには厳罰を与えるつもりだ。……それにキミが手を汚して悲しむ人もいるだろう？ 」

　クロードと皆の顔が視界に映る。
　だがこいつは仲間を殺そうとした。
　絶対に許すわけにはいかない。

「納得がいかないと言った感じだな。……まずグレイン＝レイヴンズに七種の魔導蟲を埋め込む。これは魔力線 に絡みつき、魔導を使用するたびに身体の一部を破損させたり体内で暴れまわったりするというものだ。当然激 痛を伴い、最悪死に至る。二度と魔導を使うことは出来ないだろう。その上で派遣魔導師の称号を剥奪し、罪人 の住む島へ追放する」

　グレインは魔導師にとって死刑宣告のような言葉を聞き、愕然とした顔をしている。
　魔導師にとって、二度と魔導が使えないというのは死よりも苦しいものだ。
　さらに罪人の島とならば、グレインのような派遣魔導士はかなり憎まれている筈。

　こいつは皆を危険に晒した屑だが、そこまでの罰を受けるのであれば……。

「……わかったよ。それでいいグレインの事は任せる」

He is the type that if they told him he should go to a uranium mines and by his hands mine there for the rest of his (short) life would not even ask about the reason, apologise for living and go there even though he has the power not to do so.

Or maybe the other side is just that strong and that he wants to take it safe? I mean why the hell would he want to fight lvl 99 person when he's injured and still at low level? If he complains to them it'll mean nothing as he has no power or influence to do so yet. He's promised a punishment for the villain, that's already something itself. If you're complaining that why he doesn't ask for reward or shit after that it doesn't mean that he's a coward. Also when he mentioned about debts the girl instantly replied about him and Serberia(?), which was under pursuit from Aselia. You know, the lone girl which is chased by the 3 star girl and the villain and is currently a criminal?

Please don't make me go through the web archive again to check this orz

[Rasty]

Originally Posted by Von Himmel

Spoiler:

Which he tried to do (i mean he literally wanted to cut him there) but is ultimately stopped because From what I remember: He's tired, tried to kill him but stopped, can't fight someone that strong and the proposed punishment sounds good to him. No idea why you're bitching about him being cowardly for letting the villain go.

Here's the excerpt anyway:



Or maybe the other side is just that strong and that he wants to take it safe? I mean why the hell would he want to fight lvl 99 person when he's injured and still at low level? If he complains to them it'll mean nothing as he has no power or influence to do so yet. He's promised a punishment for the villain, that's already something itself. If you're complaining that why he doesn't ask for reward or shit after that it doesn't mean that he's a coward. Also when he mentioned about debts the girl instantly replied about him and Serberia(?), which was under pursuit from Aselia. You know, the lone girl which is chased by the 3 star girl and the villain and is currently a criminal?

Please don't make me go through the web archive again to check this orz

Spoiler for :

But you know, "Maybe knowing about a criminal on the run (the thing stolen already returned)" which is impossible to prove anyway and "Your agent tried to brutally murder me (which should be impossible as taken by the society) and you did nothing even though you knew about him being mad" are on a bit different levels. I think he could have at least gotten Serberia free of charges. The MA would most likely OK it as they can't catch her anyway, she had already returned the spell and this might become a fiasco that could really shake the MA's power.
I am not complaining about him not killing the guy. I am compalning about him backing off even though he could have at least gotten something out of this.

[Von Himmel]

That's honestly a pretty dumb complaint, and he honestly can't get much from that anyway. That also doesn't mean that he's a pathetic coward.

I'm out, have fun discussing this shit with someone else.

[Wurstorff]

First of all: Protag tried to kill Grane there, but Azelia blocked his swing. That's why Grane lived. (And because Protag agreed the punishment is heavy and safe enough)

Besides, he did get something out of it. He freed himself of being charged for helping a fugitive. Hell, by that point he was an accomplice because he used the stolen scroll to learn Growth. And Azelia knew it. In fact, she hides his existence from the Association, which is even bigger, and keeps doing it once he starts breaking dungeons and she is explicitly ordered to find him at any cost.

@Stars: from what I saw, the team leader is only a confirmed 2-star. That would point at the villain being 1-star. Either I missed something big, you read it wrong, remembered it wrong or read far beyond Protag's sleep. Wait. The team leader quits after the whole business. Also, every Dispatch Mage is a monster compared to regular ones. Furthermore, the Association did something for our protagonist. Only a small gesture, but still. (And they still don't know he is the one wrecking the very fabric of reality.)

[Twi]

Spoiler that for the rest of us since the translations aren't up to that point.

Edit: Also, does anyone know if the inn-girl from chapter 6 of the web-novel shows up again? If so, spoiler-tell, please.

[Yoburi]

Originally Posted by Rasty

^^ Second heroine introduction, can't remember where exactly it was, first 80 chapters are so slow....



I stopped reading

Spoiler for :

after he showed how completely spineless/hetare he is when he always can get something from the magic association because they did some mistak/want something from him yet he acts as a complete underdog practically apologizing for breathing and takes as his own fault things, that are fault of the association and were not solvable differently by him.
The worst part then was when one heroine dies (he revives her later) because he had no spine and made a concession to the association (for free of course) and the association totally screwed, and not only once (he gets scolded for self defense instead of at least apology). Then he goes on "I don' t care about my lifetime goal so screw my lifespan" and cuts of about a decade of his life and then goes to comma for about another decade..... The most stupid about this is, that he could have just plainly reversed the time to the time before the heroine dies but for some reason does not even think about this...

WoW this MC is trash not even hetare fits when you let people that care for you die just to cocksuck a buch of assholes can these guy be such a loser even once being a level 99 once.

I already despise him just reading the synopsis now i can say for sure he is garbage even if he restart his life 100 times a garbage that pull this one will always be garbage.

Oh and i just guessing but if he reversed the time to a part the heroine is still alive would he do the same things he did again i mean isn't he the association lap dog so whats the point of reversing if his spine doesn't exist in the first place lol.

[Wurstorff]

Originally Posted by Yoburi

[...]

If you have no idea what you're talking about, just ~~, you know?

Rasty's memories, or maybe his understanding, have proven to be pretty faulty and colored. Our protagonist here is no salvation for every generic dipshit protagonist out there, but he's not that bad, and if you attack him, attack him for proper reasons.

[Kaito Yamakage]

All you need to keep reading this series is Seruberie.

[Yoburi]

Originally Posted by Wurstorff

If you have no idea what you're talking about, just ~~, you know?

Rasty's memories, or maybe his understanding, have proven to be pretty faulty and colored. Our protagonist here is no salvation for every generic dipshit protagonist out there, but he's not that bad, and if you attack him, attack him for proper reasons.

You just confirm he isn't any diferent from any other dipshit MC so how i am wrong?

lol if you want to defend him do it for proper reasons lmao.

[Kaito Yamakage]

Originally Posted by Yoburi

WoW this MC is trash not even hetare fits when you let people that care for you die just to cocksuck a buch of assholes can these guy be such a loser even once being a level 99 once.

I already despise him just reading the synopsis now i can say for sure he is garbage even if he restart his life 100 times a garbage that pull this one will always be garbage.

Oh and i just guessing but if he reversed the time to a part the heroine is still alive would he do the same things he did again i mean isn't he the association lap dog so whats the point of reversing if his spine doesn't exist in the first place lol.

Would you try attacking these guys barehanded just to be defiant to authority?

Spoiler for :

The MC isn't the associations lap dog, he just doesn't resist the magic police of that world when he clearly has no chance of winning just for the sake of killing someone who is supposedly going to be punished either way.

In the MCs older life he was Flame-of-Flame, the top fire mage, the magic association has close ties to the top mages as they work together to basically police magic in general. He knows well what they can do and when he restarts his life his level and magic completely reset so he's not level 99 anymore.

@Rasty
He IS given a concession later as help for handing over the dude when he was stopped short of killing him.

After the second series of events with the dude the magic association itself took a blow and lost a lot of its authority with the people + a number of its force died/quit during the time the MC is in a coma for three years.

So the magic association wasn't exactly getting off easy on that either.

Spoiler for :

Also, he brings back the heroine using selective time magic to turn back just her time, no different from going back in time, the only reason he went into a coma is because he was already on the verge of death and that was the second time he manipulated someones time that fight including making himself like 10 years older. He did that immediately after the fight shortly after she died, about his only mistake there is that he let her die in the first place from being too weak.

IMO the time skip coma was half related to the ages of the heroines as well, though I'm still only around ch 200 so they haven't gone all the way yet.

[Yoburi]

Originally Posted by Kaito Yamakage

Would you try attacking these guys barehanded just to be defiant to authority?

Spoiler for :

The MC isn't the associations lap dog, he just doesn't resist the magic police of that world when he clearly has no chance of winning just for the sake of killing someone who is supposedly going to be punished either way.

In the MCs older life he was Flame-of-Flame, the top fire mage, the magic association has close ties to the top mages as they work together to basically police magic in general. He knows well what they can do and when he restarts his life his level and magic completely reset so he's not level 99 anymore.

@Rasty
He IS given a concession later as help for handing over the dude when he was stopped short of killing him.

After the second series of events with the dude the magic association itself took a blow and lost a lot of its authority with the people + a number of its force died/quit during the time the MC is in a coma for three years.

So the magic association wasn't exactly getting off easy on that either.

Spoiler for :

Also, he brings back the heroine using selective time magic to turn back just her time, no different from going back in time, the only reason he went into a coma is because he was already on the verge of death and that was the second time he manipulated someones time that fight including making himself like 10 years older. He did that immediately after the fight shortly after she died, about his only mistake there is that he let her die in the first place from being too weak.

IMO the time skip coma was half related to the ages of the heroines as well, though I'm still only around ch 200 so they haven't gone all the way yet.

So it's like a murder breaks into your home and when you can kill him the police arrive and if you persist in killing you go to jail.

Ok i got he can't win but if he kills that guy wouldn't he get a light pushiment it's not like the association would kill him better to remove a potential danger to your love ones and do some jail time than leaving that alive and trusting on other people.

Well i was just reading comments to see if this novel is worth reading because i love a good mage story but this MC is shameful to all cunning and inteligent mages in better storys being kind and trusting the sytem is for Knights.

[iambill10]

Originally Posted by Yoburi

So it's like a murder breaks into your home and when you can kill him the police arrive and if you persist in killing you go to jail.

Ok i got he can't win but if he kills that guy wouldn't he get a light pushiment it's not like the association would kill him better to remove a potential danger to your love ones and do some jail time than leaving that alive and trusting on other people.

Well i was just reading comments to see if this novel is worth reading because i love a good mage story but this MC is shameful to all cunning and inteligent mages in better storys being kind and trusting the sytem is for Knights.

Stop... you're embarrassing. People who can understand more than MTL are already giving spoilers to you. Now you have 2 choices, read this WN then judge it for yourself whether you'll like it or not; or you can just not read it and return back to your xianxia where all MC do is kill people who piss him off for breakfast.

[Twi]

No need to be rude to him with that parting snipe.

Leaving aside the fact that half the spoilers have been outside of spoiler tags, none of what any of you have said has been translated, yet it's eaten up over a page of back and forth. Everyone's gotten differing opinions, so how about we wait until it gets to that point before it causes anymore bickering? Is there seriously nothing else anyone can talk about beyond that one incident?

[Amuris]

@Yoburi

...you understand that you would be arrested for manslaughter under those circumstances, right? Actually, they would likely charge you with more, since you interfered with the police and killed someone who was in their custody. Self-defense laws are not very expansive. They only are considered for immediate threats, not prior or future ones. Add to that the differences that you see in different regions that dictate what weapon you can use, what direction they can be facing when you hit them, etc.

A lot of people assume self-defense means you can just defend yourself as you see fit when attacked...it isn't anything like that though.

[Breimn]

Let's not talk about laws of selfdefense. In my country they are a mess and protect the criminals.

[BladeMancer]

Oh yeah I forgot to ask the most important questions!
Is this a harem and if so whose a part of it?