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View Poll Results: Aldnoah.Zero - Episode 17 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 17 | 25.37% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 17 | 25.37% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 22 | 32.84% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 7 | 10.45% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 2.99% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 2.99% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2015-02-07, 17:11 | Link #41 | |
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Anyway, Why do I feel that fake princess will cause Slaine to turn berserk/insane/defect sooner or later? |
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2015-02-07, 17:16 | Link #42 |
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Actually, he was teaching Eddelrittuo about the birds, that's why he was faced towards her and not Asseylum. Plus, he's already taught Asseylum all about the birds, he's just teaching Eddelrittuo what he already had taught the princess.
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2015-02-07, 17:22 | Link #43 | |
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Also, what are you talking about "justified" for? If he is fighting for Vers, then why does he need to be justified to destroy the Terran base? Now if he is fighting for some sort of future for Terrans, then that heavily depends how much you agree with ideology of the ends justifying the means. I'm not one who agrees with that, because usually the means have a detrimental impact on the ends. In this case, he is crippling the Terrans militarily, so any hope for them relies on the mercy of the Versians. If he was fighting in a matter that evened the two sides, then I can see your point with him considering the Terrans' side. But he is not. Everything he is doing militarily benefits the Versians. |
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2015-02-07, 17:30 | Link #44 |
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Okay, it's something of a nitpick but... just how piss poor is the UFE's security? I thought it was ridiculous that Asseylum was wandering around the Deucalion without an escort after her identity was revealed last season, but Rayet being able to just waltz into a detention center to see a high value prisoner this episode was even worse. Plus I imagine Inko will be the only one who has an issue with Inaho and Rayet not being at their posts during an emergency...
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2015-02-07, 17:32 | Link #45 | |
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2015-02-07, 17:44 | Link #46 | |
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Even as a young child you have a sense of self, a sense of who you are, and a sense of your culture and home. You might not understand every single nuanced thing about it, but that's actually most people. You at least know what it feels like to be part of that culture and community. Slaine knows what it's like to be a Terran, just as much as Inaho, who has lived there only six more years than he has. As for the second part, I don't remember ever saying the word "justified". And I think that if you're doing subterfuge as Slaine is obviously doing among the nobles, you don't show your real hand openly. Being fair to both sides, would make him weak in front of the Martians , a group that already doesn't like or trust him simply from the issue of his birth. It would also make it extremely easy to see what he's trying to do, which would mess up any progress he wanted to make. You sometimes have to do things that you wouldn't want to do when you are aiming towards a higher goal. Slaine obviously finds no joy in what he's doing, but it's something that has to be done. He knows how the Vers nobility works, and if he wants to get far with them, he's going to have to operate in that realm. You might not see what he's trying to do now, but that's a good thing, since that means those of Vers can't see it either. Obviously, whatever his plans, even Eddelrittuo who became friends with the Terrans, trust him and seems to indicate that she knows what he's doing, so you might want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially since it was him and not Asseylum who first proposed that Terrans and Martians could eventually live together. It was she who actually took up his dream.
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2015-02-07, 17:55 | Link #47 | |
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(Except Rayet) About detention center, if you forget, she was already there when they throw him inside so she already have permission to enter the prison but it look like she didn't like talking to another martian alone. |
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2015-02-07, 17:59 | Link #48 |
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Come on guys let's get a couple of thing straight here (Didn't read all of the posts for the record.)
1. Slaine has an end goal which comprises both of Asseuyum's and Saazabum's. Asseuyum wants peace between the two planets and Saazabum wants to get rid of the feudal system because even if they did conquer Earth the 1% will still hoard all of those resources. 2. Inaho's end goal is to help Earth get through this beating and come out on top if possible. If the fighting stops then everybody wins. He's not in it for revenge...at least so far. 3. Inaho found someone who followed Asseuyum and that's Mazaruk and he approached in him a logical and reasonable way. Note that Inaho didn't ask him to turn on his fellow martians, he's asking him to find Asseyum AND what Slaine's end goal is. Inaho didn't ask him to, "I'll let you go if you kill Slaine for me." There's a possibility that once Mazaruk finds out what's Slaine is after and such Inaho may link up with him for Asseyum's sake. What happens afterward is anybody's guess. |
2015-02-07, 18:04 | Link #49 | |
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2015-02-07, 18:05 | Link #50 | |
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You're right, I was writing this half afk and meant "within his rights" because the station was defended, in that you are trying to justify it, when it that isn't necessary because the station is part of the enemy. It doesn't matter if it was defended or not. To counter your first point, you just pointed out how Slaine spent his youth traveling. So no, I do not think he has a full understanding of what is going on politically and culturally. He has an idea yes, but so do the Versians. He had no idea about the reality of Versian society until Saazbaum pointed it out to him, but we are to assume he had that level of understanding of Terran society at the age of 11? It makes much more sense that he is interested in reforming the Versian side, with possible long term plans for the Terrans, but the Terrans are not his priority. Vers is. Just the same for Inaho, whose priority is to get the Versians out. |
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2015-02-07, 18:07 | Link #52 |
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Please don't tell me they are going for a co-existing ending... Meh... As long as some nukes will be dropped on the Mars's soil, I will be happy.
I definitely know someone won't disappointed me if they had that opportunely. (Plz Rayet)
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2015-02-07, 18:16 | Link #54 | |
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So, Marylcian decided to do the stupid thing and let his prejudices influence his actions. Even his partner in crime thought he was stupid. I mean, he's so made at Slaine being a Terran that he's beginning to say stuff that doesn't make sense! I mean, he says that Slaine doesn't have a right to be a count because he doesn't have his own landing castle? Funny, you didn't bring that up to Saazbaum who was the one that lost it in the first place. I didn't see you challenging him. I honestly don't see what this guy is going to accomplish but his own death.
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As for the society/age thing, we might just need to agree to disagree. The reason that Slaine really didn't know anything about the problems of Vers until Saazbaum told him was because he lived mostly with and around Asseylum that whole time. She was incredibly sheltered and didn't know anything about the troubles on her own planet either. He got a better picture during those years after his father's death and while living with Cruhteo, and lastly after the talk with Saazbaum. He only lived on Mars for three years, you're right in that that's really not a good amount of time to get a real feel for it, especially after having grown up on Earth.
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2015-02-07, 18:23 | Link #55 |
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waifu war is getting tense
Inaho makes clear of his intention and brush off his nee-san meanwhile, he is putting a spy to VERS empire with a very dangerous gamble by betraying the Earth *thumbs up for his bravery and plan though* poor Inaho though.. I'm certain Count Mazuurek would be killed before he was able to do his job properly Lemrina-hime is just a princess that think she is smart but actually dumb thanks to her, Slaine's plan is going to crumble even if Slaine won against "that count which I don't remember his name", Slaine's reputation would be changed a lot in VERS' eye.. He can't keep the current situation anymore I think Eddelrittuo is also another people who played dumb in here.. Let's see what might happen in next episode.. should sit tightly because something bad is for sure going to happen |
2015-02-07, 18:29 | Link #56 | ||
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On that matter is his left eye like some sort of Borg implant? The way the doctor was going on about it indicated that pushing the eye's limit would take over his brain or something.... |
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2015-02-07, 18:39 | Link #57 |
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Whether his Inko likes it, Inaho is maturing. Just like Inko wants to protect Inaho, he wants to protect the princess and others. I think she gets it. I don't think Inaho is brushing off the love of his sister. War changes people. After seeing his friend died, the princess shot at in front of him, and being shot at, near death, the decision Inaho made is understandable. He is maturing.
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2015-02-07, 18:40 | Link #58 |
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Oh Inaho's analytical eye is affecting his brain if he used it too much. That a really big death flag for him, I assume his fate will be similar to Haruto's in Valvrave.
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2015-02-07, 18:49 | Link #59 | |
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