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View Poll Results: Log Horizon - Episode 12 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 7 | 13.21% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 18 | 33.96% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 24.53% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 12 | 22.64% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 3.77% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.89% | |
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2013-12-21, 18:38 | Link #42 | ||
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(I actually know of a more detailed answer for how respawn locations work, but ugh, mild spoilers and all. )
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2013-12-21, 18:49 | Link #43 | |
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2013-12-21, 18:59 | Link #44 | |
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Mostly though I think the aversion to dying isn't the travel times and more just that dying is unpleasant and scary on a psychological level. Yes, they're immortal but until not long ago they were normal people with the mindset of "let's not try and die today, okay?" It's hard to break that habit and, all things considered, it's probably not a habit you want to break anyways. So yes, the tank should die first if dying is necessary, but unless you have to, don't die at all is better. |
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2013-12-21, 19:06 | Link #45 |
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Well, the training camp attendees are inexperienced in team battles, so it is natural they will mess up all over the place. On the other hand, this begs the question: what exactly did they do in preparation for the dungeon adventuring besides having a bbq?
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2013-12-21, 19:14 | Link #46 |
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This episode went out of it's way to show that Minori's party is not a true team yet. There's no group cohesion or plan. Minori tried rather timidly to start a strategy meeting but couldn't get the discussion going.
The trainers I'm betting gave some general pointers and taught them the basics, but there's no better experience then actually getting in there and having your first dungeon raid and let come what may. Sure this raid was an abysmal failure, it'll be seeing what lessons they take from this that will dictate the direction this fledgling team grows in. |
2013-12-21, 19:29 | Link #47 | |
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But the reason for tanks to hold the line in retreat is to keep his comrades from dying. It's putting your own life in line to save others. It's part of our job. Running away head first isn't ideal for tanks, and obviously he has a long way to go there. Of course, and that's why I brought up Naotsugu. Kid's got a way to go! Don't disappoint your sensei.
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2013-12-21, 20:51 | Link #48 | |
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I don't know how easy it is to level in Elder Tale, but lacking basic knowledge about your skills at level 2X is kind of sad...especially Minori, who I imagine partied pretty often with Tohya. A tank rushing forth and getting overaggro'd is a classic tho.. the memories *wipes a tear* |
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2013-12-21, 21:02 | Link #49 |
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Even a season tank might panic in this current Elder Tale since they now have to feel pain when they take damage or die that makes it a heck of a lot different from a regular mmo. But yeah Tohya needs some work and Rudy the sooner Isuzu gets him whipped the better.
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2013-12-21, 21:21 | Link #50 | |
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We also don't know how recently she acquired that particular skill. She may not have had much chance to use it. It's not like she has access to online information telling her how exactly each of these skills work, either. I'm not even sure what exactly went wrong. "I need to use my magic first or it won't work" isn't a very clear explanation, since A: that sure looked like magic to me, and B: I don't even know what that spell was supposed to do, specifically.
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2013-12-21, 22:49 | Link #53 |
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If I remember correctly, this was my favorite part of the current available stuff from the series. Lots of good interactions, Rudie is freaking hilarious, Princess NEET-o and of course the lovely political intrigue with the Nobles. Oh so much fun. :3
The reason why Guns are so widely sought after for a medieval fantasy setting is that while Archers or Magicians take a few months or a year to gain proficiency in, guns require only a short time frame of a month at most to be just as good as Archers or Magicians for projectile proficiency with a higher rate of fire so to speak for the same amount of damage.
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2013-12-21, 22:59 | Link #54 |
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Aww, this episode reminded me of my first time playing my very own MMO. I can totally understand Minor and Serara's roles as I myself always plays the healer. When things get ugly run away!
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2013-12-21, 23:00 | Link #55 |
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This anime made me think to try MMORPG. Well, they sure make it enjoyable for non-gamer like me. I hope this continue to end.
In other note, I've come to fall in love with Minori character. Her VA did a great job portray her character. The last, this anime has some great music. The Elder Tale OST remind me of some game song I played long ago. There also a calming music played while Minori made a call to Shiroe. |
2013-12-21, 23:00 | Link #56 | |
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Really, gun tech would really only help the Landers and even then you'd need very advanced gun tech to matter (as in rapid reloading ability with rifling for accuracy). |
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2013-12-21, 23:11 | Link #57 | |
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Characters in Elder Tale have a combat profession and a non-combat profession, and both professions have separate levels. This is demonstrated in Episode 3: Serara spent so much time cleaning Nyanta-san's house she became a level 44 maid, while her druid class was at level 19. Hence, with Minori's shrine maiden level at 21, she would have some experience in using her class abilities to fight. However, there are certain skills in MMO which are only useful for party battles against big game. Even if such skills are learned early, they are rarely used, since they are not required for solo hunting. Inexperience in the use of such skills will often result in situations faced by Minori: realization that the shield cast should be cast in advance and the long casting time of the other support spell. |
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2013-12-21, 23:15 | Link #58 |
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Well, I was just pointing out that's the reason why Gunners would be important. Though if applied to the Adventurers, then yes of course the standard Class-system would benefit them much much more than developing small armaments. Still for the Landers, projectile weaponry such as guns would be a revolution in warfare (i.e. Guarding the towns from mobs could be much more efficiently done by the local low-leveled militia) and would allow the Landers to stop crowding around in the cities due to fear of Monster Mobs.
Though of course, it will lead to incessant warfare between the nations of Yamato, unless the Round Table acts as a neutral arbiter.
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2013-12-21, 23:24 | Link #59 | |
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2013-12-21, 23:36 | Link #60 | |
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Edit: Anyways, I was more commenting because the context the gun thing usually comes up in is Adventurers using guns and not Landers. It comes up a lot and I just do not understand the reasoning for it beyond "I like guns! Guns are cool! They should use guns!" |
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