Mahouka - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll

[Mcfart]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

You know, in any other show I would think that last scene with Shizuku would be a death loss flag, what with all the "It's perfectly adjusted to me" "keep doing what you've been doing and you'll win just fine" "I'll definitely win" stuff, but I'm not sure this series knows enough about drama and proper story construction for it to be an issue.

Bahaha, no she's screwed (not a spoiler, I haven't read the novels)


This is an anime, cmon

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

You know, in any other show I would think that last scene with Shizuku would be a death loss flag, what with all the "It's perfectly adjusted to me" "keep doing what you've been doing and you'll win just fine" "I'll definitely win" stuff, but I'm not sure this series knows enough about drama and proper story construction for it to be an issue.

Well, it's probably just any other scene to make Japanese Jesus Tatsuya look better in the novels rather than a chapter ender or anything. But, since this is anime, they had to end the episode somewhere. But that's just my assumption.

[MonkeyDude]

Originally Posted by GDB

Did the source material have less emphasis on Japanese Jesus Tatsuya? Because that's my biggest beef with the series.

Hah he's even better than Jesus! All Jesus 1.0 did was walk on water. JT can fly! FLY! We need to make a checklist of all Jesus 1.0 did and compare it to what JT will do in the anime. You'd be shocked to find how there won't be all that much difference between the two...

Though I can assure you that he did not feed hundreds of people with two fish and five loaves of bread...for now?

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by GDB

Did the source material have less emphasis on Japanese Jesus Tatsuya? Because that's my biggest beef with the series.
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If your issue is that he is over powered the novel won't help. The novel does make it clear he has knowlage and ablities far beyond a high school student from the get go. It is also mostly told from his pov and from his POV things are not sunshine and lolipops as all he wants is a normal high school life for himself and his sister

[Guest2]

Originally Posted by MonkeyDude

Hah he's even better than Jesus! All Jesus 1.0 did was walk on water. JT can fly! FLY! We need to make a checklist of all Jesus 1.0 did and compare it to what JT will do in the anime. You'd be shocked to find how there won't be all that much difference between the two.

Just to clear up a misunderstanding here. There are stated to be a handful of mages that could already fly before Tatsuya got involved, but this required powerful innate talent for certain magics. What Tatsuya did was figure out a successful method of modernizing this process and develop a generalized flying magic spell, so that everyone else could also fly. Rather than a Jesus-like miracle, his accomplishment is more along the lines of figuring out the software for a calculator that helps people who have less ability in math do more complex calculations.

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

You know, in any other show I would think that last scene with Shizuku would be a death loss flag, what with all the "It's perfectly adjusted to me" "keep doing what you've been doing and you'll win just fine" "I'll definitely win" stuff, but I'm not sure this series knows enough about drama and proper story construction for it to be an issue.

I cannot agree that a match pre-check and pep talk equals a death loss flag, so I think it depends more on how each person interprets a story(a heavily edited story in this case) and what type of story the writer aims for.

There are high school drama stories, there are high school action stories and there are high school comedy stories. And I personally feel the writer did well combining the 3 in Mahouka. Although the anime edits out alot of the info that may possibly have made it more enjoyable.

For example, the scenes with Tatsuya and the 1st year girls are supposed to be more of a light comedy scene where we were supposed to hear Tatsuya's inner struggles of trying to read the emotionless Shizuku. The drama is supposed to focus on his course 2 class mate, who is frustrated with his place and lack of magic power, but is then intrigued and engaged by the main character, and the ongoing attacks by the criminals in the background.

[thundrakkon]

One of the reasons I'm not participating as much in the episode discussion thread is the constant hate and complaining. If you guys really dislike Tatsuya so much, why don't you ask for a Tatsuya character discussion thread and go in and complain all you like. It gets repetitious for every single episode thread to complain about the character and does not add to any additional knowledge or discussion of the episode itself in the episode discussion thread.

I might add additional summary bullet points and comments about the episode, depending on how the thread goes.

As for Miyuki participating in the official Mirage Bat competition, I'm wondering if Tatsuya will debut the magic flying ability to the public for Miyuki to use. I'm guessing that if she flies, it will give her a great advantage, although I don't know what the current rules of the game is yet.

[Newhope]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

One of the reasons I'm not participating as much in the episode discussion thread is the constant hate and complaining. If you guys really dislike Tatsuya so much, why don't you ask for a Tatsuya character discussion thread and go in and complain all you like. It gets repetitious for every single episode thread to complain about the character and does not add to any additional knowledge or discussion of the episode itself in the episode discussion thread.

Missed how dead the Mahouka section is?

[miroku2192]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

One of the reasons I'm not participating as much in the episode discussion thread is the constant hate and complaining. If you guys really dislike Tatsuya so much, why don't you ask for a Tatsuya character discussion thread and go in and complain all you like. It gets repetitious for every single episode thread to complain about the character and does not add to any additional knowledge or discussion of the episode itself in the episode discussion thread.

I might add additional summary bullet points and comments about the episode, depending on how the thread goes.

As for Miyuki participating in the official Mirage Bat competition, I'm wondering if Tatsuya will debut the magic flying ability to the public for Miyuki to use. I'm guessing that if she flies, it will give her a great advantage, although I don't know what the current rules of the game is yet.

Regarding your point about Tatsuya giving Miyuki the flying ability CAD...I would say it depends on if FLT (name?) has actually publicly released the product / CAD or w/e it is that he designed...because if it's not yet released...and he gives Miyuki that kind of CAD, then it's going to raise some eyebrows / draw unnecessary attention to him and Miyuki...which is the opposite of what everyone wants.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by kagato3

If your issue is that he is over powered the novel won't help.

No, my issue is that everyone praises and gushes over him as if he were Japanese Jesus.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by Newhope

Missed how dead the Mahouka section is?

Is that your attempt of humor?

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by GDB

No, my issue is that everyone praises and gushes over him as if he were Japanese Jesus.

Unfortunately it's true: The anime scriptwriter is perfectly overemphasizing all the wrong things (Tatsuya worship, Miyuki pride) while killing all the good parts (interpersonal hijinks, internal monologues, action).

Seriously, this is so uninspired it's impressive.

[Ultragunner]

well, anyone remember Legolas?

imagine if in The Lord of the Rings (the movies) Gandalf or Aragorn got overglorified that way

[karice67]

Originally Posted by Mentar

Unfortunately it's true: The anime scriptwriter is perfectly overemphasizing all the wrong things (Tatsuya worship, Miyuki pride) while killing all the good parts (interpersonal hijinks, internal monologues, action).

Seriously, this is so uninspired it's impressive.

If the anime production team is overemphasizing all the wrong things, so are a few of the light novel readers in these threads.

As thundrakkon noted above, some of us would really appreciate it if you all took your complaints to a more appropriate part of the sub-forum (or even to the light novel forum), so that we can actually discuss what is interesting without the overemphasized negativity.

Back on topic, I actually liked that they showed how Shizuku's magic worked. Would have been nice to have a better idea of how Mayumi's magic worked though: all we know is that it's small-scale and probably more based on precision than over-whelming power (since Shizuku's power is what makes Active Air Mine work for her).

Also, what did people think of Tatsuya's analysis of Mari's 'accident'? (Personally, he reminded me of Sherlock - at least, the current BBC one, though Tatsuya's obviously not quite as arrogant...)

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

One of the reasons I'm not participating as much in the episode discussion thread is the constant hate and complaining. If you guys really dislike Tatsuya so much, why don't you ask for a Tatsuya character discussion thread and go in and complain all you like. It gets repetitious for every single episode thread to complain about the character and does not add to any additional knowledge or discussion of the episode itself in the episode discussion thread.

I might add additional summary bullet points and comments about the episode, depending on how the thread goes.

As for Miyuki participating in the official Mirage Bat competition, I'm wondering if Tatsuya will debut the magic flying ability to the public for Miyuki to use. I'm guessing that if she flies, it will give her a great advantage, although I don't know what the current rules of the game is yet.

As it's already been said before this isn't the "Praise Mahouka" thread, people are going to find faults and are going to comment on them.

Originally Posted by Mentar

Unfortunately it's true: The anime scriptwriter is perfectly overemphasizing all the wrong things (Tatsuya worship, Miyuki pride) while killing all the good parts (interpersonal hijinks, internal monologues, action).

Seriously, this is so uninspired it's impressive.

But dry humor isn't going to change anything, Mahouka just doesn't transfer well into anime form since it has way too many explanations and inner thoughts from the characters.

I personally think that this adaption (granted it does have parts that were cut) is pretty faithful to the LN, no matter how much the LN readers complain (I read 10 volumes) this anime is a representation of Mahouka in it's most pure essence.

[Ickarium]

'Finding Faults' is a copout. It's simply blind hate. Like I've said before, I simply don't discuss Mahouka here as much as I do elsewhere. I get tired of the illogical, overly emotional, and downright strange ranting.

[karice67]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

As it's already been said before this isn't the "Praise Mahouka" thread, people are going to find faults and are going to comment on them.

I don't think thundrakkon has a problem with people finding fault - just with the overemphasis on the same so-called faults, thread after thread after thread. It gets tiring, especially when it involves LN readers complaining about how the anime has been made and insinuating that the production team should have done things a different way: this isn't the thread for that.

[MonkeyDude]

Originally Posted by Guest2

Just to clear up a misunderstanding here. There are stated to be a handful of mages that could already fly before Tatsuya got involved, but this required powerful innate talent for certain magics. What Tatsuya did was figure out a successful method of modernizing this process and develop a generalized flying magic spell, so that everyone else could also fly. Rather than a Jesus-like miracle, his accomplishment is more along the lines of figuring out the software for a calculator that helps people who have less ability in math do more complex calculations.

There's a reason why Flying-Type Magic is one of the Three Great Puzzles of Weight Systemic Magic. No magician using Modern Magic has been able to achieve actual flight before the big man did his thing. It's still considered a Jesus-like miracle as he was able to do accomplish something that was virtually impossible since the inception of modern magic. Let's not forget that this is only possible due to the application of Loop Cast. And oddly enough the big man was the one who invented it...

And this still pales in comparison to some of the things the JT can do!

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by Ickarium

'Finding Faults' is a copout. It's simply blind hate. Like I've said before, I simply don't discuss Mahouka here as much as I do elsewhere. I get tired of the illogical, overly emotional, and downright strange ranting.

Originally Posted by karice67

I don't think thundrakkon has a problem with people finding fault - just with the overemphasis on the same so-called faults, thread after thread after thread. It gets tiring, especially when it involves LN readers complaining about how the anime has been made and insinuating that the production team should have done things a different way: this isn't the thread for that.

But if the same faults keep popping up they have to be mentioned, I rather they be pointed out than be ignored or overlooked and it's telling that not just a few people on this site but on many other sites point out the same deficiencies and inconsistencies that this series has and as someone who has read the original source (LN) I have to agree with them because it's tha same reactions I found myself having while reading and I do think that the premise is interesting but it does have it's many faults.

I personally admit that there are stuff that have been cut that made me think "That could have explained the situation better if it hadn't been cut", but at the end of the day what we got was pretty much exactly what is in the LN (with a lot if unnecessary extras).

If you're a fan you should be critical about the series you like and be able to take criticism whether good or bad, if all you ever want to hear is good things about the series than the internet us not the best place to do so and you never know maybe this kind of criticism could in the end help the author try and make the next volumes he'll write even better.

@karice67

I agree, I'm just giving my opinion on the matter is all.

[kusabireika]

No comment for this =_= will wait for character's song instead I wonder how good do va sing

A decent episode but still missing some imp part oh well =_=

[karice67]

@Chosen Hero

I know your comment is directed at Ickarium, but I'd like to clarify my position just in case some people might make assumptions about where I stand.

I am critical of the series, just not as critical as some of you for various reasons that I will not go into here. For example, some of the scenes leave me a little bemused (e.g. the accident scene on the way to the 9SC could have flowed much better - it left me wondering how in the world they had so much time to have such a long discussion; I was also somewhat amused by how we're expected to believe that Honoka and Shizuku are in Tatsuya's circle of friends, given that we didn't see them interact for something like five/six episodes).

However, I do think that LN readers should keep their complaints about things that were left out/could have been better done to the comparison thread in the LN forum - unless they are able to hide the fact that they are biased by their knowledge of what happens in the LN. Although this anime is an adaptation, it should first be evaluated as something that stands on its own, and to me and a few other viewers, such evaluations have been buried under complaints about 'what's missing' etc. LN readers have a forum where everyone will understand those complaints, so please have some courtesy for all the non-LN readers who still find the show interesting.