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View Poll Results: Rozen Maiden Zurückspulen - Episode 13 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 5 | 17.24% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 6 | 20.69% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 6 | 20.69% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 31.03% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 3.45% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 3.45% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 3.45% | |
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll |
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2013-09-30, 15:41 | Link #41 |
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Look, here's the truth: The original Rozen Maiden anime is ugly and vastly inferior in art design, character designs, and cinematography to the new anime. The character drama surrounding Jun and the atmosphere built up around his depressed life and Kirakishou's menace is much more interesting than comedic antics centered on stereotypical moe characters or the convoluted Alice Game. The soundtrack is better than that of the original anime's (though the original anime's was good), and is used really well as part of sound direction that's as good as it gets in anime. The saddest thing about the new Rozen Maiden is that it's tied to a franchise that's not worth the effort the anime staff put into it, and that's what both gave the anime its weaknesses and what prevented it from getting an enthusiastic reception from fans.
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2013-09-30, 16:13 | Link #43 | |||
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Like I mentioned in the 12th episode thread, I feel that this story would've had a great deal more success if it had a different name and setting. |
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2013-09-30, 16:57 | Link #44 |
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No, it's not. I can even understand people liking this OST more (although fvck me if a lot of the 2nd half of OST disc2 wasn't composed for a Hollywood action movie instead of RM) but please do not say this poor sound direction was "as good as it gets in anime". What about removing most of the fun from the source material (even in this arc)? Last edited by Horse; 2013-09-30 at 17:08. |
2013-09-30, 17:37 | Link #45 |
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I seriously hope you guys aren't implying that the original anime was better than the manga. RMZ is a bad adaptation, but it still stands tall above other shows if only because the source is that good. The original anime butchered Suigintou's character, made Kanaria incompetent, and had one of the worst endings I've ever seen. The plot didn't have nearly as much depth and reminded me more of a battle shonen. I loved both, and the original is one of my favorites, but there's just no contest which one had a better story. Original anime just had a much better OST. It's not even funnier; the manga has plenty of comedy sprinkled in.
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2013-09-30, 17:58 | Link #47 | ||||
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Listen to disc2 from the OST.
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It was in no way worse than the last 10 minutes of this show. (Ignoring the fact you can get the full version of it in the manga.) Also, Barasuishou's traumend death > Kirakishou's Zuruckspulen "death", IMHO. But in the end - it doesn't really matter. The nomad adaptation is dead just like this one, most likely. Last edited by Horse; 2013-09-30 at 18:09. |
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2013-09-30, 18:05 | Link #48 | |
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Although, I personally loved Kira's death. That "you don't need me?" was absolutely heartwrenching. Then they had to ruin it by making her explode, which I don't believe was explicitly shown in the manga. Shame on you DEEN. |
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2013-09-30, 20:51 | Link #52 |
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Having read the manga now, I'd say the lessening of comedy in the anime during the Kirakishou battle made it much better than the manga. In the anime, with voices attached to those moments, having Suiseiseiki vamping to the camera would have broke the tension a lot.
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Not necessarily since unwound Jun could stop being a Hikkikomori without the help from the dolls, maybe it is the opposite, he becomes a loser that needs pampering only when the dolls appear >_< Last edited by mangamuscle; 2013-09-30 at 23:15. |
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2013-10-01, 20:59 | Link #59 |
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For all the comparisons and contrasts that are made between Rozen Maiden Zurückspulen, and the much older Rozen Maiden anime shows, I wonder if Zurückspulen's sales troubles might simply be due to how the tastes of anime fans have changed since Rozen Maiden's hayday.
Keep in mind that Rozen Maiden came to prominence just before LN and VN adaptations really took off, and if you look over the history of various moe competitions, I think you can see how LNs/VNs had a dramatic impact on what was considered "moe" amongst anime fans. The sort of shows that were prominent (or came to prominence) around the same time as Rozen Maiden included shows like Mari-Mite and Kannazuki no Miko and Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha. It was a period when Yamato Nadeshikos, and a sort of bourgeois moe, were frequently seen along with Victorian England-esque attire and "pure maidens". You don't see quite as much of that anymore in anime, I find, and I think that the rise of LN and VN adaptations might be part of the reason why. In other words, the style and aesthetics of the Rozen Maidens themselves has perhaps faded a bit. I don't see that "poetic tortured soul" gothic-style girl played straight as much as I used to. Yes, you have Ore no Imouto's Kuroneko and Chuunibyou's Rikka, but there's a certain tongue-in-cheek element to it that you don't see with Suigintou and her master who are played totally straight. Perhaps the style and sensibilities of Rozen Maiden are now simply out of fashion. It can happen. You don't see a lot of Spike Spiegel's around any more either.
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