Macross Delta - Episode 4 Discussion / Poll

[AkitoW013]

Originally Posted by Dash_Hunter

So I didn't understand much of the episode but the parts I understood really hyped me.

So Windemere declares war on the NUNS, I really think they are overestimating their chances if the NUN takes this seriously, to my knowledge Windemere is just one planet, NUNS has thousands of ships and even with Heinz and the Var Syndrome the NUNS could contact Fire Bomber (although Basara would most likely refuse), Sheryl and Ranka also produce fold waves and the Walkure would be enough.

So yeah, Windemere would most certainly lose, but I doubt they would do this without having something up their sleeve that we don't know of yet, this is going to get really interesting.

Ah and almost forgot, Messer had a reaction to Heinz's song too, so maybe after all he can also "feel the wind" or maybe it's foreshadowing that he will get the Var

As if anyone can go against LISTEN TO MY SONG! Everyone would stop fighting and the war will be over.

[wissenschaft]

Originally Posted by Hypernova

disclaimer: I didn't make this one

Spoiler for One of them is not like the others...:

lol, do they generate their power by bouncing like that?

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Dash_Hunter

NUNS could contact Fire Bomber (although Basara would most likely refuse)

I'm not so sure about that. Basara would absolutely be against NUNS using his song to neutralize Heinz while they attack their home world, but he'd probably get involved all on his own to stop the Var Syndrome and just to make them listen to his song.

[willyvereb]

I am pretty sure Basara just disappeared somewhere and nobody really knows what he's doing right now.
Although it could be interesting if Mikumo would be Basara and Sivil's daughter. Given the issues with using Fire Bomber in Macross I feel that'd be the only way we could get anything related to Basara into this show.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by willyvereb

I am pretty sure Basara just disappeared somewhere and nobody really knows what he's doing right now.
Although it could be interesting if Mikumo would be Basara and Sivil's daughter. Given the issues with using Fire Bomber in Macross I feel that'd be the only way we could get anything related to Basara into this show.

There is a theory on /a/ it was Basara that gave Freyja her player.

[Dash_Hunter]

Originally Posted by AkitoW013

As if anyone can go against LISTEN TO MY SONG! Everyone would stop fighting and the war will be over.

Originally Posted by Shinji103

I'm not so sure about that. Basara would absolutely be against NUNS using his song to neutralize Heinz while they attack their home world, but he'd probably get involved all on his own to stop the Var Syndrome and just to make them listen to his song.

Yeah of course! what I meant is that he would refuse to work with the NUNS, he would just fold right in the middle of the battle and make them listen to his song and the war would be over

Originally Posted by willyvereb

I am pretty sure Basara just disappeared somewhere and nobody really knows what he's doing right now.
Although it could be interesting if Mikumo would be Basara and Sivil's daughter. Given the issues with using Fire Bomber in Macross I feel that'd be the only way we could get anything related to Basara into this show.

Well yeah I think, but there must be a way to contact him, right? he colaborated again with his old band to record the RE.FIRE album in 2060, although apparently every member did their part separately but still.

[charles883]

We know NUNS will win the war, but I do wonder whats makes Wind Kingdom so confident that enable them to declare war against the might of NUNS .

I think they have powerful weapon other than Vars as trump card for NUNS

[magnuskn]

I suspect it will be a bit of plot contrivance.

NUNS Leaders: Hurp durp, we'll send in a fleet composed entirely of Zentradi!
Audience: <facepalm>

BTW, have we seen a single Meltrandi be affected by VAR syndrome?

[charles883]

It seems normal humans also affected by Vars as well. I feel sorry for Freyja for seeing her home nation declared wars against entire galaxy. I bet she going to have conflicting feeling for this situation

I wonder how aerial knight and Roid react when they saw and found out that one of their people join Walkure.

Do you think they will declare Freyja as traitor of their kingdom due to her joining Walkure?

[dmaxzero]

I want a Draken DX Chogokin.

[crimsonflair]

What does Windermere want to gain after declaring war?

Anyway both sides have the power of music that can affect the tempo of the battlefield. Windermere has Lord Heinz, whose singing can instigate Var Syndrome. Meanwhile, there is Walkure, who can counteract this. Windermere has the advantage of having their singer remain on the planet; whereas, Walkure has to be on location when the attack happens. The group has the risk of being injured in the ensuing onslaught. If any of the idols is injured, like Mikumo, Windermere can gain the advantage. However, Windermere has a weakness to worry about: Heinz's health.

[charles883]

Windermere to gain after declaring war is most likely full access of Protocultuure technology as well as create centralized interstellar galactic government under their banner as they one of those against decentralization of government. OR there a hidden true reason behind it

Another Windermere advantage over NUNS is their main stay VF as Sv262 already shown superior to VF-171 and equal to VF-31 and based on delta series they got entire army of Draken

[Alhazred]

These guys have got to be the most annoying galactic neighbors ever. I mean, sure, they can't hold grudges for all eternity like the Zentradi, but with a 30 year lifespan the cycle of societal idiocy eventually leading to war must be on some sort of hyperdrive loop; every 60 years they'll come back, and the old timers on the other side will wonder, "Didn't they learn their lesson last time? Oh wait, I guess all those guys are dead now..."

[azarhal]

Originally Posted by magnuskn

BTW, have we seen a single Meltrandi be affected by VAR syndrome?

In this episode Freya and Mikumo put an hand on their head just like Messer so I wouldn't count female out entirely even if we haven't seen any yet.

[charles883]

I think Wind kingdom well aware how powerful NUNS and confident enough to war against NUNS as in ep 3 Heintz did mention 'stirring the great wind'.

[xeviouses]

Originally Posted by azarhal

In this episode Freya and Mikumo put an hand on their head just like Messer so I wouldn't count female out entirely even if we haven't seen any yet.

In the case of Freyja and Mikumo, their high fold receptor must have made them more sensitive to songs that can induce feelings to whoever listens similar to theirs.

[Stark700]

I'm kinda curious about Heinz and that health condition. I wonder how it came to manifest or if there's a cure to it? Hope we get some insight on that later on
Mikumo still proves to me as the most mysterious character in this show so far though.

Nice song they used. The one they played for this week's episode and last week is my second favorite in this show now with Borderline obviously being the first.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by charles883

Windermere to gain after declaring war is most likely full access of Protocultuure technology as well as create centralized interstellar galactic government under their banner as they one of those against decentralization of government. OR there a hidden true reason behind it

Another Windermere advantage over NUNS is their main stay VF as Sv262 already shown superior to VF-171 and equal to VF-31 and based on delta series they got entire army of Draken

Or that is how they are deluding themselves. Despite being decentralized the NUN is an EU like organization with NUNS being their NATO.

They have a parliament where all reps have a say. They are probably debating if Windermere is to be spanked.

The Kingdom of Wind are literally a bunch of Chuuni immature brats that has no clue how scary the galaxy is. They have full monarchy and nobility for crying out loud.

Humanity has survived Zentradi Army, Protodevlin and Vajra. Oh they are still around and Humans generally prefer not to poke the bear.

What does Windermere have to compare? Oh right nothing. To them doing something outrageous is better than doing nothing.

Originally Posted by Stark700

I'm kinda curious about Heinz and that health condition. I wonder how it came to manifest or if there's a cure to it? Hope we get some insight on that later on
Mikumo still proves to me as the most mysterious character in this show so far though.

Nice song they used. The one they played for this week's episode and last week is my second favorite in this show now with Borderline obviously being the first.

While positive Song Energy Fold Waves can cure and bring to life those on the verge of death those who sing negative Fold Waves are self destructive I guess.

[crimsonflair]

Here's a dirty strategy I thought of:

Reverse-Engineer the negative fold waves Heinz produces into a song that can afflict only Windermerans with Var Syndrome. If Walkure can stabilize Var Syndrome, surely they can also create it.

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Or that is how they are deluding themselves. Despite being decentralized the NUN is an EU like organization with NUNS being their NATO.

They have a parliament where all reps have a say. They are probably debating if Windermere is to be spanked.

The Kingdom of Wind are literally a bunch of Chuuni immature brats that has no clue how scary the galaxy is. They have full monarchy and nobility for crying out loud.

Humanity has survived Zentradi Army, Protodevlin and Vajra. Oh they are still around and Humans generally prefer not to poke the bear.

What does Windermere have to compare? Oh right nothing. To them doing something outrageous is better than doing nothing.

Do you think you will be frustrated if Windermere has wins using asspulls? I think most people will agree to that.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Or that is how they are deluding themselves. Despite being decentralized the NUN is an EU like organization with NUNS being their NATO.

They have a parliament where all reps have a say. They are probably debating if Windermere is to be spanked.

The Kingdom of Wind are literally a bunch of Chuuni immature brats that has no clue how scary the galaxy is. They have full monarchy and nobility for crying out loud.

What does Windermere have to compare? Oh right nothing. To them doing something outrageous is better than doing nothing.

While 4 episodes in may be too early to say. If the Windies are suffering from an extreme case of self-gratification, they should visit the Solar System, even just once, they'd probably have 2nd thoughts about what they are doing right now.

Lets see how the story unfold. But my gut tells me the two factions will wind up working together eventually.

Either that, or we will have GATE in Space...

Seriously, the NUNS combined fleet is very conservatively estimated to possess half-million front-line vessels. This is what the Windies are going up against.

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Humanity has survived Zentradi Army, Protodevlin and Vajra. Oh they are still around and Humans generally prefer not to poke the bear.

What is hilarious about the Devlins is that they were made stronger at the end of Macross 7, not weaker. Despite making peace with humanity, they are still more than capable of causing a galactic scale genocide very, very easily.

- Tak