Bakemonogatari - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by Marisa Kirisame

Katanagatari, also written by Nisio Isin just aired its commercial with this episode, so we have a lot more to look forward to. It's only a matter of time before Zaregoto, his most famous work gets anime adaption too.

I read Andrew C's review (many might have read his review of Bake linked in the first post of the general thread) of Katanagatari... let's just say.. scathing is being generous. He called the one novel a month release a gimmick that failed and was propped up by 30 pages of recap in most of the novels. Still he does have hope for the animated version since it could fix some problems.. like the 30 pages of recap for one.. anywayz I'm not looking forward to it anywhere near as much as I was.

Zaregoto's the one I'm really looking forward to now, hopefully it's announced within a year.

[monir]

Originally Posted by zato_1one

Inviting her father to her first date and flirting with her boyfriend behind his back. No one can do it except Senjougahara.

Ah,, but here is the beauty of the whole stunt... Senjougahara just had her father's approval by letting him meet the guy she has fallen for. It doesn't leave any room for resentment and resistance all parents provide when it comes to their children's interest in the opposite sex. She just overcame the final obstacle. She is crafty as ever if you think about it.

[Zetsubo]

Originally Posted by monir

I also realized that I didn't mind the lack of progression even one bit. Why, I wonder!

Exactly.

The series is really about Koyomi and his growth into adulthood.

So far this chick, sorry Se-n-jo-u-ga-ha-ra-sa-ma, dominates the show and Hanekawa follows close behind.

Senjougahara Fascination.

Indeed it has become a new fashion.

Koyomi will mature into a good adult with a woman like her beside him and vice versa.

I mean lets look at his choices so far, no longer is he merely content with just graduating. He wants to get into a good college. He has started to study

Spoiler for 1:

did well on his tests which obviously makes Hitagi very excited

so that he will have a brighter future for himself and be more responsible toward Hitagi.

I have been thinking that in end it seems that no man can truly come to fullness without some woman dragging him out of the cave into the light. I mean personally my girlfriends all did alot for me growing up that I wouldn't do on my own because I was just lazy and didn't have anything to care about.

The flip side is that I am not so sure if it works the other way around though.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Wonderful. What an excellent finale. Senjougahara...ah, Senjougahara. Sorry, I mean "Hitagi". One of the best "I love you" scenes I can remember.

Full credit to Saitou Chiwa. She and the animators and the writers made such a brilliant character. Shines like all the stars of the galaxy.

[monir]

Originally Posted by Zetsubo

The flip side is that I am not so sure if it works the other way around though.

It does! They are just too stubborn to admit and we do well not to notice the change.

[Azuma Denton]

OMG...
A very romantic and humoric eps...
Nice finale of tv series eps...

Thank you SHAFT for not forgetting about Senjougahara Fascination...

And finally another voice except the main cast which falls to Hitagi's father.
We can hear another side of Hitagi from his father point of view.

Spoiler for insidethecar:

It's funny how Senjoughara brings his father so Araragi cant call her with Senjougahara. And how Senjougahara calls him "trash". Definitely needs sub to understand this better.

Are ga Deneb, Altair, Vega...

All hails Senjoughara Tore...

[qwertyman]

I wouldn't call it perfect since the episode lacked Kanbaru, who is my one true Bakemonogatari love, but it was still a great episode. Though I'm not sure how I feel about being blindsided with Senjougahara after a long time without her, since I was expecting a continuation of Hanekawa's story.

Oh, and does the novel mention what Hitagi was whispering to Araragi during the car ride?

[Azuma Denton]

Originally Posted by qwertyman

I wouldn't call it perfect since the episode lacked Kanbaru, who is my one true Bakemonogatari love, but it was still a great episode. Though I'm not sure how I feel about being blindsided with Senjougahara after a long time without her, since I was expecting a continuation of Hanekawa's story.

Oh, and does the novel mention what Hitagi was whispering to Araragi during the car ride?

Maybe they decided to skip Hanekawa's story and put it in the remaining 3 OAD eps...


It will be a cliffhanger ending if they put continuation of Hanekawa's arc in this final eps of tv series.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Westlo

I read Andrew C's review (many might have read his review of Bake linked in the first post of the general thread) of Katanagatari... let's just say.. scathing is being generous. He called the one novel a month release a gimmick that failed and was propped up by 30 pages of recap in most of the novels. Still he does have hope for the animated version since it could fix some problems.. like the 30 pages of recap for one.. anywayz I'm not looking forward to it anywhere near as much as I was.

Zaregoto's the one I'm really looking forward to now, hopefully it's announced within a year.

I personally think you should post about Katanagatari in the Katanagatari thread.

Originally Posted by qwertyman

since I was expecting a continuation of Hanekawa's story.

Keeping the arc title in mind, that's what we should get in the last three episodes.

[monir]

Originally Posted by Azuma Denton

Maybe they decided to skip Hanekawa's story and put it in the remaining 3 OAD eps...

From the context of this arc, I think this episode is aptly inserted during Hanekawa's story. Hanekawa's problem is unique from the pattern that was established during the other girls' story. Unlike the other girls, Araragi is the very cause for Hanekawa's problem. By bringing out Senjougahara in this episode and in this fashion, doesn't it set up for some major development? Now that Araragi has admitted out loud he does like Senjougahara, how is he going to resolve Hanekawa's problem without making things worse?

I know if I were a shipper, I would have a field day with this episode in context to explain away the upcoming event on how Araragi will resolve things with Hanekawa.

[Raiga]

I love the two scenes where Senjougahara (sorry, I mean Hitagi-san) tries to correct her wording. Ends up just the same each time, doesn't it? XD Ah, I need to rewatch this later, I paused after the OP to do homework and kinda lost the thread of it by the time I got back.

Quite a nice way to end the TV broadcast. Lovely final scene there.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by Azuma Denton

Maybe they decided to skip Hanekawa's story and put it in the remaining 3 OAD eps...

No, episode 12 is the third chapter (out of.. was it 8?) for Tsubasa Cat

[ickem]

Originally Posted by qwertyman

I wouldn't call it perfect since the episode lacked Kanbaru, who is my one true Bakemonogatari love, but it was still a great episode. Though I'm not sure how I feel about being blindsided with Senjougahara after a long time without her, since I was expecting a continuation of Hanekawa's story.

Oh, and does the novel mention what Hitagi was whispering to Araragi during the car ride?

No, it's the same as it is in the anime. It is apparently so risqué that it can't even be in print.

Originally Posted by Westlo

No, episode 12 is the third chapter (out of.. was it 8?) for Tsubasa Cat

Yeah, it is also the longest chapter in the entire series at 50 pages out of Tsubasa Cat's ~240 pages or so.

[Clarste]

I find it interesting that while Araragi never uses honorifics when talking to people, he's too embarrassed to call Senjougahara by her given name without adding -san.

Actually, I find the way he talks to people interesting in general. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't calling everyone by family name without honorifics balancing in some weird level between distance and somewhat rude familiarity? The fact that he doesn't change the pattern at all no matter who he's talking to (except his sisters for obvious reasons) is also interesting.

[guanin]

................................................

I'm speechless. It's as if I wanted to cry after watching a very outstanding series(even though it hasnt ended, lol).

Spoiler for this episode:

For the Senjougahara fans, rejoice! This episode is as close to heaven you can get. It was Hitagi-Araragi all the way through.

The scene inside the car was really funny. When he calls her Senjougahara, she tells her father that Araragi is calling him, lol.

I swear, at some scenes, just add some gloves and you could mistake Hitagi's father as Gendou Ikari.

What Tsundere-chan was doing to Araragi's inner thighs, I could not think of another anime girl that did what she was doing. Very original, and shows how perverted(although not in a lowly way) Tsundere-chan is.

When her father talked to Araragi, that scene had quite an imact on me. It just shows how he really misses seeing her daughter happy and having fun. It must have been tough living with a daughter you could mistake as a stone in your home.

And the futon(?) scene. Although I couldn't understand most of it, you could really feel Hitagi's sadness when she talked... And how Araragi held Tsunere-chan's hand, it was the sweetest anime "rabu-dabu" scene I've witnessed. It even beats her confession!(at least for me ).

And at last, She's finally revealing her dere-dere side. This is the first time I've heard her talk like that! Oh, how Tore-inducing.

So? What do you guys think? Did they kiss? Senjougahara wanted it, but did Araragi had the guts to go for it?

[NaweG]

Subs are out, though from a group I'm not previously familiar with.

[qwerty_]

Originally Posted by NaweG

Subs are out, though from a group I'm not previously familiar with.

Are they real, somebody?

[NaweG]

Originally Posted by qwerty_

Are they real, somebody?

According to that tool that none of us HERE use, I should be able to answer that in about 10 minutes...

[Clarste]

Originally Posted by guanin

Spoiler:

So? What do you guys think? Did they kiss? Senjougahara wanted it, but did Araragi had the guts to go for it?

Spoiler:

The way I see it, of course they kissed. Senjougahara's word is law. Seriously though, the mood was perfect and Araragi wasn't exactly unaware of that given the hand holding thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they did more than kissing. Notice the tasteful panning up of the camera.

[ickem]

Originally Posted by Clarste

Spoiler:

The way I see it, of course they kissed. Senjougahara's word is law. Seriously though, the mood was perfect and Araragi wasn't exactly unaware of that given the hand holding thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they did more than kissing. Notice the tasteful panning up of the camera.

No, they didn't do more than kiss. Senjougahara specifically said that she's still scared to do with Koyomi what the lowlife tried to do to her so she asked him to wait until she could deal with it. They did kiss, though.