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~Yami~ · 2014-01-11, 19:20

wow... so many Murlocs.....
with huge numbers of Murloc, it would be a war soon

Dog-zoned NPC.... poor Rudy.. it would be awesome if Rudy is an adventurer too
We could see his sad look

that complicated party... hahaha.. no one ever do that kind of arrangements during raid

DQueenie13 · 2014-01-11, 19:30

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Originally Posted by Mubyoshi

Dammit, I was hoping to see Marie fight, but instead she almost gets taken out by lv30 trash mobs even though she herself is a lv90. Kinda pissed me off there.

She's not an Armored Cleric (whose role is to be on the front lines) and has little fighting experience even when ET was a game, much less after the Catastrophe. Considering that she didn't even have a weapon (especially not when she's relaxing at the beach), she doesn't have a way to fight off the monsters anyhow. Leave the fighting Cleric role to Rezarick (the brown-haired guy from the Black Sword Knights).

Also, having over a thousand Sahuagin is quite a bit more than a "trashy mob," isn't it?

Village Idiot · 2014-01-11, 19:44

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Originally Posted by DQueenie13

She's not an Armored Cleric (whose role is to be on the front lines) and has little fighting experience even when ET was a game, much less after the Catastrophe. Considering that she didn't even have a weapon (especially not when she's relaxing at the beach), she doesn't have a way to fight off the monsters anyhow. Leave the fighting Cleric role to Rezarick (the brown-haired guy from the Black Sword Knights).

Also, having over a thousand Sahuagin is quite a bit more than a "trashy mob," isn't it?

This is the equivilent of those Lv1 Hogger raids you see from time to time in World of Warcraft, only reversed.

Random Wanderer · 2014-01-11, 20:18

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Originally Posted by Village Idiot

This is the equivilent of those Lv1 Hogger raids you see from time to time in World of Warcraft, only reversed.

Over 1000 level 20s is not the same as a level 1 anything.

A character who isn't specced for combat, who has no equipment, and who as badly outnumbered as she was is in danger no matter what level they are.

tsunade666 · 2014-01-11, 20:46

Nice episode. Its really fun and relaxing watching the newbie team win their fight. Its also funny when Rudy was pet zoned by Isuzu. Its a funny scene when Isuzu literally treats him like a dog

And the attack of the murlocs commence.

velvet nightmare · 2014-01-11, 22:13

why is everyone assuming that she can or cannot fight, all we have to go on is the direction the story is taking us.

we don't know:

a) how gear dependent any class is - or if you need gear to even use abilities
b) whether healer classes have any offensive combat abilities (i highly doubt they have none)
c) the level/regen scaling scaling of the game, (eg kirito in SOA having regen that outscales incoming damage from lower levels)

if we don't know these things, what's to say she can't stand in the middle, tank everything and perpetually heal herself if her regen and healing out scale the damage coming in?

obviously the people who play world of warcraft know what i'm talking about, and i too am kind of annoyed that a level 90 of any class would ever have the need to run from anything that low level as suggested, but going back to my original point, we are all just speculating.

Myssa Rei · 2014-01-11, 22:21

Unfortunately, all of what you're asking (as in the nitty-gritty info, particularly of Maryelle's abilities)... are all novel info.

As for what we CAN see, she's a cleric without ANY equipment. As in no armor. Even in old-style Ragnarok, half of a tank cleric's defense value comes from the armor they're wearing.

I doubt a bikini can defend against the polearms the sahuagin are carrying.

Ickarium · 2014-01-11, 22:31

I think even without novel information, it makes sense. Fighting when on a computer screen is something different from fighting face to face, and cleric or not, she getting overwhelmed and afraid of a horde of monsters wielding swords makes perfect sense. Heck, Shiroe mentions it specifically to Minori when talking to her in this episode, that taking out monsters their level is badass simply because of this.

Low level or not, a horde waving swords? I bet that'd disturb a lot of people, level 90 or not.

PLus, as mentioned, she's basically naked.

Myssa Rei · 2014-01-11, 22:36

Exactly. Level 90 or no, a cleric in a bikini won't be able to help. Healing newbies won't work, as some people suggested, as she herself would make a VERY tempting target.

Shoryuu was right this time. A tactical retreat was in order, if only to re-equip to something better suited for a massed battle.

tsunade666 · 2014-01-11, 23:18

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Originally Posted by velvet nightmare

obviously the people who play world of warcraft know what i'm talking about, and i too am kind of annoyed that a level 90 of any class would ever have the need to run from anything that low level as suggested, but going back to my original point, we are all just speculating.

Even people of WoW know that taking on hordes of level 20 monsters without equipment on is suicidal. Even if she's Level 90. She's basically nude here

in terms of equipment. She's equivalent to character that has underwear on though here she is in bikini.

Myssa Rei · 2014-01-11, 23:33

Yep, pretty much. Lack of defense plus sheer numbers of opponents will eventually outpace a high-level cleric's healing, in my experience. Best course of action? Hightail it back to where the equipment is, get changed, and THEN go back to help.

Nvis · 2014-01-11, 23:35

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

Even people of WoW know that taking on hordes of level 20 monsters without equipment on is suicidal. Even if she's Level 90. She's basically nude here

in terms of equipment. She's equivalent to character that has underwear on though here she is in bikini.

Serves her right for lazying around, thinking it was a vacation.

Too bad her knight in shining armor wasn't Naotsugu.

Myssa Rei · 2014-01-11, 23:39

That is kind of the point wasn't it? Maryelle WAS treating it as a vacation... because that's exactly what she wanted. Remember, the training camp was just an excuse that Shiroe came up with to give Maryelle what she was asking for.

She was expecting a few days of fun under the sun, and was certainly NOT expecting a horde of hostile fishmen. I don't think anyone would.

Nvis · 2014-01-11, 23:42

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Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

That is kind of the point wasn't it? Maryelle WAS treating it as a vacation... because that's exactly what she wanted. Remember, the training camp was just an excuse that Shiroe came up with to give Maryelle what she was asking for.

She was expecting a few days of fun under the sun, and was certainly NOT expecting a horde of hostile fishmen. I don't think anyone would.

Didn't she think it was unfair for the other lvl90s tutoring the newbies while she sat around?

Everyone from the Round Table is doing their job except her....

tsunade666 · 2014-01-11, 23:45

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Originally Posted by Nvis

Didn't she think it was unfair for the other lvl90s tutoring the newbies while she sat around?

Everyone from the Round Table is doing their job except her....

She's doing her job to watch for the newbies.... while sunbathing in the sun

well SHE IS doing her job.

Swordstriker21 · 2014-01-12, 00:11

Lvl 90 or no, someone who has little to no battle experience while directly controlling an avatar(?) as if it were her own body as opposed to staring in front of a screen, who is basically naked equipment-wise, and isn't specced for tanking/frontline duty would definitely have trouble even w/ low level mobs (thousands of them too).

And again adventurers feel pain in ET. Even if they are more resilient to it doesn't mean they don't feel it.

Me: Lot's o' Murlochs to slaughter but I don't have anything on me. I'm Lvl. 90 anyways so I'll just beat em up w/ mah fists...

10 mins later...

Me: Well I've managed to beat several, my HP is still close to full... but I have spears sticking out of my gut......... !@#$%%^*&^*&^*&....

DQueenie13 · 2014-01-12, 00:12

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Originally Posted by Nvis

Didn't she think it was unfair for the other lvl90s tutoring the newbies while she sat around?

Everyone from the Round Table is doing their job except her....

The anime excluded the scene of her healing the newbies (at least, to my knowledge) while they were training (not a spoiler since we already passed that point). If anyone was injured, she would heal them, but as a level 90 it was a rather basic task and didn't detract from her sunbathing.

And if you think about it, the trainers at Ragranda Forest didn't have to do anything when the kids were in the dungeon. We saw that Naotsugu and Marie were chatting while Nyanta was cooking and Rezarick was off who-knows-where.

agetreme · 2014-01-12, 00:14

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

She's doing her job to watch for the newbies.... while sunbathing in the sun

well SHE IS doing her job.

Isn't she described as decoration rather than actual guildmaster?

The topic about low level mob remind me of my time in RO when I attack a poring whom I think is weak but turn out to be "that" Poring that can summon an army of porings.....

Killed in seconds.

Level doesn't really matter much when mobs can zerg rush....

Swordstriker21 · 2014-01-12, 00:27

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Originally Posted by agetreme

Isn't she described as decoration rather than actual guildmaster?

The topic about low level mob remind me of my time in RO when I attack a poring whom I think is weak but turn out to be "that" Poring that can summon an army of porings.....

Killed in seconds.

Level doesn't really matter much when mobs can zerg rush....

You mean "that" Poring... One of the more memorable screw ups of my juvenile MMO days....

They look so damn lovable too...

To be fair though she's described as the "sun" of Crescent Moon Alliance and just one smile from her would fire up all those hot-blooded boys (maybe some females too) in the guild and give them the strength and courage to fight dungeon/raid bosses solo lol

She may be the mascot and poster girl of CMA but she does the role incredibly well. She also takes on the "onee-san" role w/out being too overbearing due to her quirks.

Random Wanderer · 2014-01-12, 00:36

Here's a question for you all to ponder, and I suggest you don't just dismiss it offhand: are levels in this game linear or exponential? If they're linear, then Marielle at level 90 is equal to roughly 4.5 of those level 20 monsters. Think about it.

Also, stop trying to use WoW as a baseline for comparison. The author based this off of early MMOs like Everquest, which are drastically different from these things young people play. Saying "well a high-level character in WoW could handle" instantly invalidates your argument.

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tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	Nice episode. Its really fun and relaxing watching the newbie team win their fight. Its also funny when Rudy was pet zoned by Isuzu. Its a funny scene when Isuzu literally treats him like a dog And the attack of the murlocs commence. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2014-01-11, 22:21	Link #47
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	Unfortunately, all of what you're asking (as in the nitty-gritty info, particularly of Maryelle's abilities)... are all novel info. As for what we CAN see, she's a cleric without ANY equipment. As in no armor. Even in old-style Ragnarok, half of a tank cleric's defense value comes from the armor they're wearing. I doubt a bikini can defend against the polearms the sahuagin are carrying. __________________

2014-01-11, 22:31	Link #48
Ickarium Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013	I think even without novel information, it makes sense. Fighting when on a computer screen is something different from fighting face to face, and cleric or not, she getting overwhelmed and afraid of a horde of monsters wielding swords makes perfect sense. Heck, Shiroe mentions it specifically to Minori when talking to her in this episode, that taking out monsters their level is badass simply because of this. Low level or not, a horde waving swords? I bet that'd disturb a lot of people, level 90 or not. PLus, as mentioned, she's basically naked. __________________

2014-01-11, 22:36	Link #49
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	Exactly. Level 90 or no, a cleric in a *bikini* won't be able to help. Healing newbies won't work, as some people suggested, as she herself would make a VERY tempting target. Shoryuu was right this time. A tactical retreat was in order, if only to re-equip to something better suited for a massed battle. __________________

2014-01-11, 19:20	Link #41
~Yami~ a random Indonesian otaku Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Xanadu Age: 32	wow... so many Murlocs..... with huge numbers of Murloc, it would be a war soon Dog-zoned NPC.... poor Rudy.. it would be awesome if Rudy is an adventurer too We could see his sad look that complicated party... hahaha.. no one ever do that kind of arrangements during raid

2014-01-11, 22:13	Link #46
velvet nightmare Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007	why is everyone assuming that she can or cannot fight, all we have to go on is the direction the story is taking us. we don't know: a) how gear dependent any class is - or if you need gear to even use abilities b) whether healer classes have any offensive combat abilities (i highly doubt they have none) c) the level/regen scaling scaling of the game, (eg kirito in SOA having regen that outscales incoming damage from lower levels) if we don't know these things, what's to say she can't stand in the middle, tank everything and perpetually heal herself if her regen and healing out scale the damage coming in? obviously the people who play world of warcraft know what i'm talking about, and i too am kind of annoyed that a level 90 of any class would ever have the need to run from anything that low level as suggested, but going back to my original point, we are all just speculating.

2014-01-11, 23:33	Link #51
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	Yep, pretty much. Lack of defense plus sheer numbers of opponents will eventually outpace a high-level cleric's healing, in my experience. Best course of action? Hightail it back to where the equipment is, get changed, and THEN go back to help. __________________

2014-01-11, 23:39	Link #53
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	That is kind of the point wasn't it? Maryelle WAS treating it as a vacation... because that's exactly what she wanted. Remember, the training camp was just an excuse that Shiroe came up with to give Maryelle what she was asking for. She was expecting a few days of fun under the sun, and was certainly NOT expecting a horde of hostile fishmen. I don't think anyone would. __________________

2014-01-12, 00:11	Link #56
Swordstriker21 Oshite mairu!!! Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Ware wa Kuu. Ware wa Kou. Ware wa Jin!	Lvl 90 or no, someone who has little to no battle experience while directly controlling an avatar(?) as if it were her own body as opposed to staring in front of a screen, who is basically naked equipment-wise, and isn't specced for tanking/frontline duty would definitely have trouble even w/ low level mobs (thousands of them too). And again adventurers feel pain in ET. Even if they are more resilient to it doesn't mean they don't feel it. Me: Lot's o' Murlochs to slaughter but I don't have anything on me. I'm Lvl. 90 anyways so I'll just beat em up w/ mah fists... 10 mins later... Me: Well I've managed to beat several, my HP is still close to full... but I have spears sticking out of my gut......... !@#$%%^&^&^*&.... __________________ The true last samurai...

2014-01-12, 00:36	Link #60
Random Wanderer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	Here's a question for you all to ponder, and I suggest you don't just dismiss it offhand: are levels in this game linear or exponential? If they're linear, then Marielle at level 90 is equal to roughly 4.5 of those level 20 monsters. Think about it. Also, stop trying to use WoW as a baseline for comparison. The author based this off of early MMOs like Everquest, which are drastically different from these things young people play. Saying "well a high-level character in WoW could handle" instantly invalidates your argument. __________________