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liujeffqi · 2007-05-05, 13:46

ya c72 is pretty good, also glad Galatea is still alive.

Seska · 2007-05-05, 14:16

Dam it , i have a hole of chapter 70-71 now...

ickem · 2007-05-05, 14:48

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Originally Posted by Seska

Dam it , i have a hole of chapter 70-71 now...

If you mean you are don't know what happens in those chapters you can check the original manga discussion page near the bottom of the Claymore forum. There are chapter summaries for it in there.

The best part of chapter 70 is when Audrey pisses her pants as Riful is about to tentacle rape her and Riful says, "ewww, don't make my body dirty"

. Riful's acting is pretty funny too since it's so over the top, sort of like "Oh no! Please, if you hit me with one more attack, I'll..." And when that second attack failed she says "Please, if you with hit me with an attack as powerful as the one you used earlier, I'll..." And after that fails, she lectures them on how that kind of attack is pretty useless once they lost the element of surprise and something like "You do have something else that may be powerful enough to beat me in one hit. What? Don't tell me you're don't have anything else." When coupled with her facial expressions, it really makes them appear really weak.

Here's my summary for 71 though

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The chapter is almost entirely talking. Riful finally remembers who Clare was and asks what happened to the other two. She's a little disappointed to hear of their fates since she was really interested in them, especially Galatea. The thing that Clare want to ask is about what happened with the awakened beings 7 years ago. Riful says she'll tell her if Clare becomes her comrade and Clare relies that she'll think about it. Riful really wants someone who can read youma energy really well so as long as Clare becomes her comrade, she'll let the other Claymores in the vicinity go. She also reminds her of what she said before, that the biggest shortcut to her revenge is to become Riful's comrade. Riful then tells her that Easrey, or however you're supposed to spell his name, split his forces to the east and west and went south himself. Both groups were simply throwaway pawns and were easily destroyed. Clare understands how the group in the west was so easily destroyed because of Riful, but is shocked that the organization was able to destroy the other group. Riful replies by saying that the organization hasn't been idle either and created a warrior capable of fighting the Shinen no Mono(no idea how to translate this into something that doesn't sound lame, something like Beings of Despair or something). In other words they've created a new Shinen no Mono so there was no imbalance of power even with the death of Rushiela. Clare then asks whether Rufil thought about going for Easrey when he fought Rushiela. Riful says that of course she went since with Easrey fighting another Shinen no Mono, even though he won, he was still close to death. Riful was basically feeling really good about the situation until she met "that." When she went to see Easrey Priscilla was there and Easrey told her that it's too late to do anything. He told her that no matter how strong an awakened being she gathers and no matter how strong a warrior the oranization created it was already too late, no one can kill Priscilla. Riful got really angry and told Duf they were leaving and Duf said why since she could take Easrey pretty easily then. Riful's words were "You've got to be kidding, that woman is much, much stronger than us." Easrey created the story about how he deafed her. He became her general when he realized that he couldn't beat her. The only way that anyone had a chance of beating her was if a power greater than the Shinen no Mono arose, in other words if Riful and Rushiela used all their power to try to beat her. So he though up this plan to destroy that very small chance before anyone realized Priscilla's power. He knew that Riful couldn't work together with the organization so he went after Rushiela. Now it seems that he really fallen for Priscilla. Things have now calmed down since no one has a chance of defeating Priscilla, but they have the power to easily take all the other lands. Clare asks why Riful wants her as a comrade when compared to her, Easrey and Priscilla, she is really weak and Riful tells her that she found has something really interesting. That's why she wants someone who can read youma energy well, in other words she wants someone with even the slightest chance of controlling that youma energy. Clare tells her that she's been thinking about whether to become Riful's comrade all the time they've been talking and says it's impossible. She tells Riful that even though she isn't strong enough to beat her, she can still get away. Anyways, she runs off and Riful is really mad and tells her that payback's a bitch.

Seska · 2007-05-05, 15:33

No no, i know of the summary's here, but i don't have the "raw pictures". if you understand now

mosmos · 2007-05-05, 18:46

Just found chapter 72 from a Chinese site.
If anybody wants raw and understand Chinese, just google "claymore 72" and you can find it in no time.

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Originally Posted by ickem

If you mean you are don't know what happens in those chapters you can check the original manga discussion page near the bottom of the Claymore forum. There are chapter summaries for it in there.

The best part of chapter 70 is when Audrey pisses her pants as Riful is about to tentacle rape her and Riful says, "ewww, don't make my body dirty"

. Riful's acting is pretty funny too since it's so over the top, sort of like "Oh no! Please, if you hit me with one more attack, I'll..." And when that second attack failed she says "Please, if you with hit me with an attack as powerful as the one you used earlier, I'll..." And after that fails, she lectures them on how that kind of attack is pretty useless once they lost the element of surprise and something like "You do have something else that may be powerful enough to beat me in one hit. What? Don't tell me you're don't have anything else." When coupled with her facial expressions, it really makes them appear really weak.

Thank you ickem for pointing that out, hehe... Ritful is mischevious and she said found something interesting/useful, I wonder what is that?
& Thank you for the summaries.

zato_1one · 2007-05-06, 05:18

Audrey pisses her pants? Back checking chapter70 again. LOL. She really done it!

That was a shame for number 3.

Galatea should punish her and taught her how to be truly elegant.

dee32 · 2007-05-07, 01:14

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Claris seems like an experimental project to me

she's barely a claymore:

maybe they heard about Clare from Galatea and are trying to make another?

This is my theory on Claris. That the organization wanted to explore the mysterious abilities Clare displayed further. Since they though Clare was dead, along with the other claymores they sent to the north. So they took a piece of Clare's flesh and blood they had and created Claris. So this would make Claris 1/8 yoma instead of the 1/4 yoma that Clare is. I also think Claris is some type of claymore created for covert operations. Remember when Clare was sent on a mission to the holy city of Rabona. Clare had to take those pills to dampen her powers so she could pass for a regular human girl. If Claris was a claymore then it would have been more practical to send her instead of Clare. By sending Claris you have a claymore with all her powers available and some one who wouldn't arouse the humans of her presense. My only thing is can she cloak her pressense from yoma?

Xellos-_^ · 2007-05-07, 01:24

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Originally Posted by dee32

This is my theory on Claris. That the organization wanted to explore the mysterious abilities Clare displayed further. Since they though Clare was dead, along with the other claymores they sent to the north. So they took a piece of Clare's flesh and blood they had and created Claris. So this would make Claris 1/8 yoma instead of the 1/4 yoma that Clare is. I also think Claris is some type of claymore created for covert operations. Remember when Clare was sent on a mission to the holy city of Rabona. Clare had to take those pills to dampen her powers so she could pass for a regular human girl. If Claris was a claymore then it would have been more practical to send her instead of Clare. By sending Claris you have a claymore with all her powers available and some one who wouldn't arouse the humans of her presense. My only thing is can she cloak her pressense from yoma?

Considering how long it takes to train a Claymore. Claris was already in the queue when Clare was sent North. You could be right that she is experimental subject base on Clare but the experiment would have to have started before Clare was sent north.

ickem · 2007-05-07, 02:12

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Originally Posted by dee32

This is my theory on Claris. That the organization wanted to explore the mysterious abilities Clare displayed further. Since they though Clare was dead, along with the other claymores they sent to the north. So they took a piece of Clare's flesh and blood they had and created Claris. So this would make Claris 1/8 yoma instead of the 1/4 yoma that Clare is. I also think Claris is some type of claymore created for covert operations. Remember when Clare was sent on a mission to the holy city of Rabona. Clare had to take those pills to dampen her powers so she could pass for a regular human girl. If Claris was a claymore then it would have been more practical to send her instead of Clare. By sending Claris you have a claymore with all her powers available and some one who wouldn't arouse the humans of her presense. My only thing is can she cloak her pressense from yoma?

From the comments of the awakened ones who fought Nina and the others, though, it seems that warriors that retain some of their hair color have existed since the beginning. Also, from the conversation between Miria and the others, trainees that retain their hair color aren't all that uncommon, it's probably that they are just too weak to be promoted to full warrior status. I think Claris is just a character made to question the existence of Claymores within the organization. She has been already been shown to actually think about what they are.

Ch1kane · 2007-05-07, 13:04

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Originally Posted by mosmos

Just found chapter 72 from a Chinese site.
If anybody wants raw and understand Chinese, just google "claymore 72" and you can find it in no time.

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Thank you ickem for pointing that out, hehe... Ritful is mischevious and she said found something interesting/useful, I wonder what is that?
& Thank you for the summaries.

mind posting the results? pretty interested

Xellos-_^ · 2007-05-07, 17:42

Just finish vol9 of the scan.

In vol9 Riful mention that Priscilla had left one little girl alive furing her rampage in the north.

Could this girl be Clarisa?

LCeh · 2007-05-07, 17:59

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Just finish vol9 of the scan.

In vol9 Riful mention that Priscilla had left one little girl alive furing her rampage in the north.

Could this girl be Clarisa?

Actually, from what I understood, Priscilla left all the little girls alive, because she couldn't see them, but I am not too sure why she couldn't see them.

Negativedark · 2007-05-07, 18:04

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Just finish vol9 of the scan.

In vol9 Riful mention that Priscilla had left one little girl alive furing her rampage in the north.

Could this girl be Clarisa?

Or maybe Ophelia.

ickem · 2007-05-07, 18:28

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Originally Posted by mosmos

Just found chapter 72 from a Chinese site.
If anybody wants raw and understand Chinese, just google "claymore 72" and you can find it in no time.

Spoiler:

Thank you ickem for pointing that out, hehe... Ritful is mischevious and she said found something interesting/useful, I wonder what is that?
& Thank you for the summaries.

My theory is that she found Rushiella's body or Rafaela's body. That's the only reason I can think of for her to want someone that can control youki.

As for Priscilla, she can't see any young girls. They just don't seem to register in her brain, as evidenced by her ignoring of Clare right after she awakened.

LCeh · 2007-05-07, 18:44

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Originally Posted by ickem

As for Priscilla, she can't see any young girls. They just don't seem to register in her brain, as evidenced by her ignoring of Clare right after she awakened.

Any speculation on why that is so? I would think it must have something to do with her tragic past.

Grey · 2007-05-07, 23:43

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Originally Posted by NegativeDark

Or maybe Ophelia.

Ah, good idea! I agree, Ophelia is a reasonable possibility. I think Clare might be possible too. Clare may have been wandering around with Teresa's head for a while, and it's possible some rumor got around about her situation.

Of course, like someone else said, the young girl could be someone completely unknown. If Priscilla on her rampage couldn't see any young girls, then I wouldn't be surprised if many young girls survived.

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Any speculation on why that is so? I would think it must have something to do with her tragic past.

Well, I don't think there are any actual psychological phenomena that can cause this. But...I have two ideas.

Possibility (1): Part of Priscilla's mind associates young girls with her own past as a young girl whose life was ruined by Yoma. Refusing to harm the young girls is because part of her refuses to harm people like herself.

Counter-point to (1): Apparently, she kills everyone else, so that means she kills the young girls' families. If she really didn't want to harm young girls because they reminded her of her own suffering, then she'd leave their families alive too.

Therefore, Possibility (2): Part of Priscilla wants these young girls to become Claymore. Perhaps there's still a small part of her--the part that hated yoma and what they did to her--that hates the fact that she is an Awakened One. And so she leaves young girls alive in the hopes that they will become Claymore and kill her.

Both of these ideas seem like possible explanations, and the counter-point to (1) doesn't seem strong enough to reject (1) altogether.

Samanosuke · 2007-05-08, 09:06

I'm just wondering ...
How come the Clare lost it (somehow...and begged to be killed ) when she awoken the last time ?
What i mean is , the "three Persons of the Abyss" and their underlings clearly are sane .
My point is , I don't understand why they all fear to completely awake . Is it because they will want to eat humans ?

Key Board · 2007-05-08, 09:32

once someone completely awakens their human side dies and instinct takes over

however, since the body is shared, the demon side also inherits the memory and personality and thus, will have some effect

Judging from what happened to Pris and Lucera I would say that someone would go on a rampage for several months before mellowing down. What happens afterwards depends on memories and the subconscious drive of the awakened

it also seems to imply that once someone has awakened they have reached a dead end in their progress (ie: they can't get that much more stronger)

but yes, I guess it would be interesting to see what happens if Clare fully awakens. Perhaps it would probably turn into somewhat a vampire manga.. for the better or worse, I don't know

dutchman · 2007-05-08, 09:48

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Originally Posted by Samanosuke

I'm just wondering ...
How come the Clare lost it (somehow...and begged to be killed ) when she awoken the last time ?
What i mean is , the "three Persons of the Abyss" and their underlings clearly are sane .
My point is , I don't understand why they all fear to completely awake . Is it because they will want to eat humans ?

An FULLY awakened being basically considers itself as a ‘new’ species (this is what Riful told Jean in vol. 8).

And just like humans eat cattle an awakened being considers itself different enough from humans to treat them without any qualms as food.

It appears that after a FULL awakening their whole mindset is drastically altered due to their dominant Yoma mind. And almost nothing human will remain (except memories as I recall right) so that’s why the Persons/Lords of the Abyss are clearly sane they just don’t see regular humans as persons anymore just… food.

Therefore all claymores still sane of mind would rather die as a human given the chance. They all remember that they were once fully human before being altered by the organisation. And don’t want to end their existence being reborn as a monster who feasts on human guts.

In that light I don't think it is strange/unexpected that Clare ‘lost’ it and begged to be killed by Helen who she considers to be one of her friends.

Its not the fear of awakening, its the fear/despair knowing what she would become that made Clare eager to die.

I hope this explains it a bit if not their are probably lots of other plp who can provide more sensible theories

Samanosuke · 2007-05-08, 10:29

thanks for answering .
well , with what you just told me....it translate in my brain :
A claymore is basically someone with two entities in the body . One human and one Monster . The human will borrow powers from the monster to help slay the evil monsters .
What comes in my mind is : BLEACH !!! .
but joke aside , that brings me to wonder why Riful and whatsherface haven't fed on Riku yet...or...is it that his existence is so pitiful that they just don't see him as food , not even as a snack . Then why ...let him stick with them ? .
or is it that they plan on making him one of them.
In the end , a Awoken one sees human as food , but just like we see cow/chicken/cats&dogs (for some ) as food , some see them also as...pet.
Perhaps...that's what.Riku is to them....a pet .
But there also the fact that we don't feed when we see food.
Perhaps Yoma are actually even...hum..better then humans..in...some sort of way :S.
I think that what i'm trying to say is...I'd be a claymore , i know i would have awoken like..right away . Screw being human !

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2007-05-08, 09:06	Link #57
Samanosuke Genma Killer Join Date: May 2007	I'm just wondering ... How come the Clare lost it (somehow...and begged to be killed ) when she awoken the last time ? What i mean is , the "three Persons of the Abyss" and their underlings clearly are sane . My point is , I don't understand why they all fear to completely awake . Is it because they will want to eat humans ?

2007-05-08, 09:32	Link #58
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	once someone completely awakens their human side dies and instinct takes over however, since the body is shared, the demon side also inherits the memory and personality and thus, will have some effect Judging from what happened to Pris and Lucera I would say that someone would go on a rampage for several months before mellowing down. What happens afterwards depends on memories and the subconscious drive of the awakened it also seems to imply that once someone has awakened they have reached a dead end in their progress (ie: they can't get that much more stronger) but yes, I guess it would be interesting to see what happens if Clare fully awakens. Perhaps it would probably turn into somewhat a vampire manga.. for the better or worse, I don't know

2007-05-08, 10:29	Link #60
Samanosuke Genma Killer Join Date: May 2007	thanks for answering . well , with what you just told me....it translate in my brain : A claymore is basically someone with two entities in the body . One human and one Monster . The human will borrow powers from the monster to help slay the evil monsters . What comes in my mind is : BLEACH !!! . but joke aside , that brings me to wonder why Riful and whatsherface haven't fed on Riku yet...or...is it that his existence is so pitiful that they just don't see him as food , not even as a snack . Then why ...let him stick with them ? . or is it that they plan on making him one of them. In the end , a Awoken one sees human as food , but just like we see cow/chicken/cats&dogs (for some ) as food , some see them also as...pet. Perhaps...that's what.Riku is to them....a pet . But there also the fact that we don't feed when we see food. Perhaps Yoma are actually even...hum..better then humans..in...some sort of way :S. I think that what i'm trying to say is...I'd be a claymore , i know i would have awoken like..right away . Screw being human !