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Perfect 10 | 4 | 20.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 7 | 35.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 5 | 25.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 10.00% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 10.00% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2016-02-27, 12:32 | Link #41 | |
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2016-02-27, 13:17 | Link #42 | |
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2016-02-27, 14:32 | Link #43 |
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Those idiots do not even know what pedophilia is:
- "Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger" Sugawara never shown any sexual attraction towards Sherry, only kindness and respect. He was never interested in marrying her either. It was her who had a crush on him. He only used the marriage card because Sherry was going to be killed by the Cleaners. He even said he would only marry Sherry when she reaches her legal age according to the japanese law, when she is no longer considered a child but a full woman and Sherry herself is ok with it. People who call Sugawara or the GATE author creepy because of this situation only shows how ignorant and twisted society is nowadays. They prefer seeing a little child being killed instead of seeing her becoming the bride of an older man by her choice (and let's not forget she is from a medieval world with a medieval education). Reminds me of that people that are pro-life above everything (against abortion or euthanasia) but do not care to what happens to the individuals afterwards. It's sad. To me, this episode was nice because once again showed the clash between two different cultures and how hard it is for someone like Sugawara. The guy just saved a life and is tagged as creepy and a disgusting pedophile by it's viewers..lol. And let´s not forget the political mess he created too About Lelei, I though we would see her doing the "masters degree" test first and then going with Itami after the resources. Did they skipped it? :/ |
2016-02-27, 15:12 | Link #44 |
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Whoa, they cut out a very important plot line about Boses.
I understand they don't have the time to cover it, but it's a shame... it's one of the biggest development in the overall scheme of the world building. Shame.
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2016-02-27, 15:29 | Link #45 |
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I dont wanna go real world Pen3 but come age of consent was a bit different 1000 or so years ago not the least of which because life expectancy was a whole lot lower. Back then u were lucky to hit 30.
Well to be fair some manga authors do come across a a bit pedo not that I see it in this case maybe the novel/manga are different but it was pretty clear he was saving her in this case. Not just because he wanted to bang her. |
2016-02-27, 15:34 | Link #46 | |
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Season 2 had the Japanese female slave of Zorzal who was tortured and raped and we got to see what Tyuule went thru. It's not a far jump to imagine what Sherry would have went thru (rape, torture and murder) if she was taken away. Sugarawa was in a bad spot. Yeah, he could have let her be taken away and not have a war start or he could see his career go down fast for claiming a 12 yo as his bride in 4 years. The author placed an adult male character in that spot. It's no wonder that people are yelling "pedo". The viewers are in modern society, after all. That average age of a US diplomat is 30. Sugarawa is prob old enough to be her dad, hence the "pedo" comments.
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2016-02-27, 15:37 | Link #47 | |||
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- She's 12. By our standards, she doesn't have a "choice", and won't for years yet. - Her medieval education only reinforces the fact she doesn't get to choose who she marries, which we're supposed to find abhorrent. - That her only two options are marriage to Sugawara and death again doesn't spell "marriage by her own choice". - What really saves her life is ultimately the fact that Japan's got guns, which put Pina and her knights in their corner. It's not any kind of legal contortion. Who would even care? To Zorzal the law doesn't matter, and to Japan it's not anywhere on Sugawara's side. They'd have had just as much ground to protect her if she'd just tripped and fell into Japan when she first had a chance. (And, come to think, they're not bad grounds. Since she's a minor, at the very least they'd have had to find her legal guardians to hand her over to, which right now is a bit of a mess. That would have bought as much time as needed.) So, in the end, what we have is a horrible situation with a vaguely creepy resolution. Quote:
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2016-02-27, 15:50 | Link #48 |
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Actually, it looks like Sherry knew exactly what she was doing. When Cicero questioned her in that resident's room, she replied that she was sure. She knew she would cause Sugawara trouble, and she gambled that he would take action. She wanted him to take action, in order for Japan to intervene. She wanted to turn the tide against Zorzal with Japan's help. That is why Cicero mentioned that the Cleaners should have tried to arrest her first, since she is very intelligent and plans things out to have situations go with the way she wants. That's also why the foot soldier she bought food from says she will be such a dangerous woman in a few years.
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Japan have guns. It's true, but since the government refused to help it's allies, what you suggested is not viable. And helping Sherry alone would create problems if another diet would be summoned for the JSDF. That is why calling it "creepy" is just nonsense to me, because it's not a case of pedophilia. Not even close. But to each his own i guess. Last edited by DemonneoPT; 2016-02-27 at 17:17. Reason: Just a small correction. Not "his" but "is" xD |
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2016-02-27, 16:07 | Link #50 |
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^he did say "So, in the end, what we have is a horrible situation with a vaguely creepy resolution."
Meaning, he's likely not calling the actual character a pedophile, but that the convenient writing feels like a disturbing pedophilia wish fulfillment. Me? I got no problems I was like hell yeah, tell that sunuvabich inquisitor to hell. Tell im' boy
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2016-02-27, 16:08 | Link #51 | |
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Well actually Zorzal would probably merry her off to an ally, she does come from a noble house after all so that could be useful...and then her husband would rape her so overall true. See for me to Suga a pedo he actually has to be actively trying to sleep with the girl and since there is nothing to suggest he wants to bang her well... I am not going to call him a pedo. |
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2016-02-27, 16:12 | Link #52 |
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It is only "creepy" if the person thinks it is better to let the girl die. As I say, this is not unusual, modern people are desensitised to deaths of foreign children as if that's entirely normal.
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2016-02-27, 16:43 | Link #53 | |
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Frankly, I thought several times that it would be interesting if they pushed things a bit further, and it would certainly be accurate for a medieval culture. Juliet herself married at thirteen, and King (more often known as Prince) John of England married a girl no older than Sherry, who was already famous for her beauty. On top of that, the treatment of an offering of marriage can be a difficult matter, one that could in some situations have potentially volatile impacts on diplomacy. The author could honestly have put Sugawara in a position where he had no choice but to take Sherry as his bride shortly after meeting her, with refusal having major damaging effects on Japan's standing in the Special Region. Frankly, this would not be "pedophilic" on the part of the character or the author, but just an examination of one of the potentially awkward scenarios that could actually happen when dealing with a foreign country with a culture more like the Middle Ages and earlier than like our own. Sugawara got off easy. Last edited by BWTraveller; 2016-02-27 at 17:02. |
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Again, think about it. Who's Sugawara making his claims to? Who's supposed to care? Quote:
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They're already at war. The Empire invaded first, and Zorzal was personally involved in war crimes. The peace talks are breaking down, and the more they wait, the worse it gets. Quote:
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2016-02-27, 16:53 | Link #55 |
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Sugawara, he must have been wondered for sometime which action to take at that moment.
Pedophile, to me it's rather out place to having those kinds of thought in these kinds of serious scenes. But makes me laugh when having it mentioned considering this is an anime we are watching, really awkward though. Sherry, she sold those expensive pearls, it really means something. |
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I think people still find such situation creepy because society still have prejudice against older people being together with younger ones (20 years old girl with a 40 years old man, for example). If Sugawara really ends up marrying her, by that time Sherry will already be a full woman. For me, that's not creepy at all. Just two grown-ups minding their own business. |
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2016-02-27, 17:43 | Link #57 | |
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Basically despite that being true nobody ever uses that argument because society at large doesn't care as perception and many histories of tragic adult to adolescent relationships trump it as their are concerned. |
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2016-02-27, 19:50 | Link #58 | |
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Also, what's wrong with consenting to marry a girl in a few years? He never said she couldn't break the contract later; while engagement was often a relatively serious contract a long time ago, it was not absolutely binding and could be broken off. On paper, it's a contractual relationship creating a clear relationship to a Japanese individual, but at the same time it is a situation that gives both parties full freedom to break the agreement. His behavior has made it fairly clear that he's not doing this out of romantic feelings toward her, so regardless of its legal ramifications what it amounts to is his telling her that he's not refusing and will consider it if her heart hasn't changed in the next 4 years. Again, he's in a very tense situation politically, tenser than you seem to realize. If he hadn't declared her to be his future bride, he would have had to either turn her over to torture and possible violation or give the acting emperor a gift-wrapped excuse to go to war. And that's the absolute last thing they want to do. If they give him reason, then it'll be harder to make him stop and they'll have to basically pound him into submission because he's just trying to right a wrong done to him; but if they just let him come to him, then they're only defending themselves from unprovoked violence, which is a much simpler situation for someone who wants to end things quickly. It's much more difficult to call for a cease fire if you're the one who started the war. |
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2016-02-27, 22:37 | Link #60 |
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About the romantic feelings part, the only part that made it iffy was when he told Sherry that he will get a pearl necklace with his own money instead of the taxpayer's. Getting jewelry is a pretty big deal, so there is definitely some feelings involved. I did think of that as well, but remember that he riding in a truck. Anyone pursuing him will be way behind him. Remember how they mentioned that it would take a week or so for reports to the capital from Arnus by spies from the empire? It takes only half a day by vehicle, as mentioned in a previous episode, so it is impossible for anyone from the empire to keep up.
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