Anime and Manga, one step closer to being illegal in the UK!!

[JustInn14]

Originally Posted by Solais

Then ban sex, too. Because it's explicit. We'll use cloning instead.

I hope I don't giving ideas for that goverment...

No no. Those "right wingers" will claim cloning is "Immoral".

Which in that case, is ok. You wouldn't want the average slobby "Sixpack family" being the "Lucky specimens" for cloning.

Well, anyways, I'm out of this thread. It seems like we've pretty much discussed that "This law isn't banning anime/manga in total". Among other things.

[yezhanquan]

Well, time for political/psychological manga to hit the UK, hard. I suggest Urasawa Naoki's Monster as the leader of the pack. Seriously, anyone who thinks that manga/anime is all about "in-your-face" stuff should look at Saiyuki and Nana.

Since the law is vague, the "interpretation" lawsuits will be fought. We'll see how it goes.

[Aebliss]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Well, time for political/psychological manga to hit the UK, hard. I suggest Urasawa Naoki's Monster as the leader of the pack. Seriously, anyone who thinks that manga/anime is all about "in-your-face" stuff should look at Saiyuki and Nana.

Since the law is vague, the "interpretation" lawsuits will be fought. We'll see how it goes.

"Monster" is of such quality that I personally feel it should be part of the required reading list for high schools - or at least a valid choice for book reports and such.

[black monster]

many people thinks that our behavur changes due to a video game or a movie or a music or even stories.

my opinion is that it is up to us weather thay influence our behaveur or not.

becuse most of my friends like shooting games. when thay were kids thay always buy gun toys such as water gun, paint gun, sound gun, light gun and all the games that thay play is shooting.
after thay finished high school thay entered the military. the military gave them VR training and my friends were the best thay never got shoot and thay always aim at the head.
but when the military putthem in a real battlefield training with paint guns my friends were the worst thay couldn't shoot at anyone.

[TinyRedLeaf]

This is the UK....where people have a healthy respect for freedom of speech and expression, regardless whether this is actually the case on the ground. I find it hard to believe that this legislation would be used the way the OP suggested. Any government that attempts to do so would be laughed out of office.

Look, this is a country where people have no qualms about taking the mickey out of any authority figure, ranging from the Queen to the local mayor. No one is sacrosanct. The higher you are, the more a Brit would love to see you fall. If the British police were to start arresting people for possession of "shocking" anime/manga, I think it won't be long before "library task forces" start appearing in the UK as well.

[Solais]

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

This is the UK....where people have a healthy respect for freedom of speech and expression, regardless whether this is actually the case on the ground. I find it hard to believe that this legislation would be used the way the OP suggested. Any government that attempts to do so would be laughed out of office.

Look, this is a country where people have no qualms about taking the mickey out of any authority figure, ranging from the Queen to the local mayor. No one is sacrosanct. The higher you are, the more a Brit would love to see you fall. If the British police were to start arresting people for possession of "shocking" anime/manga, I think it won't be long before "library task forces" start appearing in the UK as well.

You know, this is still better, what is going in my country. It's not about anime, and this (so this post is purely off topic), but about taxes. I mean Nectie and Underpants Tax? Internet Tax? They're more crazier than the UK gov.

[Ledgem]

Originally Posted by Solais

You know, this is still better, what is going in my country. It's not about anime, and this (so this post is purely off topic), but about taxes. I mean Nectie and Underpants Tax? Internet Tax? They're more crazier than the UK gov.

What sort of Internet tax? I'm taxed simply for my net connection, and now it seems that we'll be paying sales tax on things that we buy from the internet, too. Welcome to the club!

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

This is the UK....where people have a healthy respect for freedom of speech and expression, regardless whether this is actually the case on the ground. I find it hard to believe that this legislation would be used the way the OP suggested. Any government that attempts to do so would be laughed out of office.

Sarcasm...? Didn't they ban some videogames in the past (Manhunt 2 stands out in my mind)? They're currently plastered with the CCTV cameras, and I heard that at one point all handguns were confiscated (which was easily done because all of the non-criminals had registered their guns) - not sure if that ban is still in effect. Even though the US is undergoing mass invasions of privacy from the government, I look at the UK as being a step ahead of us in terms of lunacy that I'd rather avoid.

[Solais]

Originally Posted by Ledgem

What sort of Internet tax? I'm taxed simply for my net connection, and now it seems that we'll be paying sales tax on things that we buy from the internet, too. Welcome to the club!

We will pay tax if we go to a webpage what is hosted in Hungary. Really.

[Aoie_Emesai]

I went around reading some articles and other forum post about the "UK Anime Ban" but I can't really seem to find and sufficient info >.<

From the info I can collect here I can't really made an accurate decision.

64 - Possession of extreme pornographic images

(1) It is an offence for a person to be in possession of an extreme pornographic image.

(2) An “extreme pornographic image” is an image which is both—

(a) pornographic, and

(b) an extreme image.

(3) An image is “pornographic” if it appears to have been produced solely or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal.

after reading the bill - I dunno for 1, 2, a and b. But 3 literally states out what the bills is trying to prevent from happening so that means all forms of adult entertainments from regular to animated.

The only thing I can think of adding is; Will banning porn of any kind prevent it from happening. It almost seems similar to the Probation in the US.

[black monster]

banning something won't prevent anything.

i know that becuse a lot of things were banned in my country but the fans alwaysfind a

way to sneak them in

[Slice of Life]

(2) An “extreme pornographic image” is an image which is both—

(a) pornographic, and

(b) an extreme image.

I like that part. It demonstrates nicely the level of intelligence of the people who formulate such laws.

[Rookie103]

(2) An “extreme pornographic image” is an image which is both—

(a) pornographic, and

(b) an extreme image.

I would never have guessed.

[nanafan]

wow i didn't know about this wierd. but making it illegal will make people want to go against it.

[Rookie103]

An act which threatens or appears to threaten a person's life

... so then they'd have to ban every game, movie, and the like which shows this?

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Ledgem

Sarcasm...? Didn't they ban some videogames in the past (Manhunt 2 stands out in my mind)? They're currently plastered with the CCTV cameras, and I heard that at one point all handguns were confiscated (which was easily done because all of the non-criminals had registered their guns) - not sure if that ban is still in effect. Even though the US is undergoing mass invasions of privacy from the government, I look at the UK as being a step ahead of us in terms of lunacy that I'd rather avoid.

They can ban it but guess what happened?

I rofled at the comments though...yippie...

The CCTV thing you brought up also wins.

Maybe I should pity myself for being here

[[DOT].L]

This whole thing is just a joke, right?

'Cuz it sure made me laugh real hard.

[Rookie103]

Originally Posted by [DOT].L

This whole thing is just a joke, right?

'Cuz it sure made me laugh real hard.

I would assume that they'll never go through with it.

[Saleh]

Originally Posted by Slice of Life

I like that part. It demonstrates nicely the level of intelligence of the people who formulate such laws.

Is there anything seriously wrong with those clauses?

Clause (2) is used to limits jurisdiction of clause (1), thereby limiting jurisdiction of this law and preventing it from any serious abuse. Its also one of few clauses which can't have a wide-range of interpretation. If clause (2) had defined “extreme pornographic image” as pornographic or an extreme image then this law would have been capable of doing exactly what the OP said and more.

Personally, I find clause 6 (d) very appealing since it provides some new rights to wildlife/"animals".

[nanafan]

i can't read bills any type they always confuse me with the legal jargon

[Slice of Life]

Originally Posted by Saleh

Is there anything seriously wrong with those clauses?

If you really don't understand what is wrong with a legal text containing a statement "a <adjective1> <adjective2> <noun> is a <noun> which is both <adjective2> and <adjective1> <noun>." then I can't help you. Maybe you can help us improving the Declaration of Human Rights a bit? I find it seriously lacking. One could start with inserting

Article 19a
"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression." means that everyone has the right to freedom of
(1) opinion, and
(2) expression.

Maybe that way this principle can even be understood by the people who made the law we're talking about.