Fate/stay night Anime (old generic discussion thread)

[anime fan99]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Wait, Mordred was also a girl?

her Appearance in Fate/Apocrypha was as a girl

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Wait, Mordred was also a girl?

In the Nasuverse Mordred was also a girl.

[Rising Dragon]

In the Nasuverse, girls are girls, boys are girls, and children are homunculi.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by GDB

Merlin was a dick and gave one to Arturia for the lolz for a short time. Morgan le Fay extracted a sample from that incident.

Originally Posted by Cherry_Lover

Merlin temporarily gave him a cock for some reason....

Originally Posted by chaos_alfa

She stole Saber's sperm when she got a dick.

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[anime fan99]

so what the deal with the male Arthur in Fate/Prototype

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by anime fan99

so what the deal with the male Arthur in Fate/Prototype

Prototype is based on the first version of the story of Fate/Stay Night thought of by Nasu. To be more precise the Fate route when that was just the whole story. In the original version Saber was a guy and his master was a female.

The Fate/Prototype OVA was just a random teaser of what could have been.

[Dengar]

Nasu's original idea involved a female Master and a male Saber, that's what Saber in /prototype was based on, right?

EDIT: lol I was too late

[ukulelembo]

About Mordred in Fate/Apocrypha:

Mordred was originally going to be male like the legend, but it was thought that having two male characters look feminine, the other being Rider of Black, was too much. Takashi Takeuchi calls her the crowning achievement of the culture created by TYPE-MOON.

Source: Type-Moon wikia.

[anime fan99]

Originally Posted by chaos_alfa

Prototype is based on the first version of the story of Fate/Stay Night thought of by Nasu. To be more precise the Fate route when that was just the whole story. In the original version Saber was a guy and his master was a female.

The Fate/Prototype OVA was just a random teaser of what could have been.

This makes more sense

When he changed the master to a guy and Saber to a female he should changed Saber identity to Joan of Arc

[GDB]

Joan of Arc's sword was known for cleansing, not destruction. Thus, he needed a sword with more destruction: Excalibur.

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by anime fan99

This makes more sense

When he changed the master to a guy and Saber to a female he should changed Saber identity to Joan of Arc

Joan of Arc at least appears in Fate/Apocrypha.

From what I can remember to have read one of the reason to change the genders was to better appeal to the eroge crowd.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Fate/stay_night

Kinoko Nasu first began writing 'Fate/stay night in college and had not intended it to be a game. Initially, Nasu only wrote what would become the game's Fate storyline however the game went on to have three storylines, the Fate scenario being one of them.
In his early drafts, Saber was a man, and the protagonist was a girl with glasses. This early draft was embodied in the short original video animation (OVA) Fate/Prototype, which was released with the final volume of the Carnival Phantasm OVA series. Nasu set aside the project and went on to found TYPE-MOON with artist Takashi Takeuchi.

After the success of their first visual novel Tsukihime in 2000 TYPE-MOON transitioned from a dojin soft organization to a commercial organization. Nasu and Takeuchi decided to turn the old Fate story into a visual novel as TYPE-MOON's first commercial product. In the beginning, Nasu was worried that because the main character was a girl, the story might not work as a bishōjo game. It was artist Takeuchi who suggested switching the genders of the protagonist and Saber to fit the game market.

[anime fan99]

Originally Posted by GDB

Joan of Arc's sword was known for cleansing, not destruction. Thus, he needed a sword with more destruction: Excalibur.

Arthur was known as a guy and he change that you tell me he can do that but not What a sword is known for

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by anime fan99

Arthur was known as a guy and he change that you tell me he can do that but not What a sword is known for

...You can easily change the gender of a historical or legendary character. Changing what these characters are known for is a whole different matter. Especially in the Nasuverse which prides itself on its consistency with the legends.

[anime fan99]

Originally Posted by Dengar

...You can easily change the gender of a historical or legendary character. Changing what these characters are known for is a whole different matter. Especially in the Nasuverse which prides itself on its consistency with the legends.

I'll dropped the subject before I look more stupid than I am looking now

[Sansker]

So Merlin gave Saber a dick... I don’t want to know what that guy does on Friday nights.

Also changing gender isn't that easy with legendary figures. Just look at Saber here, where that kid of her came from? Also is everyone blind? They say was magic to keep an illusion that Saber wasn't a girl but even so she was really small have a very feminine voice and talk japanese.

Ok to be fair that was a joke but changing the gender here only serve one purpose: make the scene when Saber had to recharge mana before facing Berserker in Fate sexy. Why? Well think about this: A woman can't give her Servant mana that form so the Master must be male, then if the Servant was male... well you can see why that will never work. Can you see Shirou doing that with Lancer? Or Archer? The situation will be just as desperate but that will be really gay. I have nothing against Saber but her gender doesn't seem to add much to the story beyond romance and sex.

[GDB]

I'm guessing you haven't played the VN, since it explains it quite well. We've already stated how Mordred came to be, so if you still don't get it, just reread what has been said. As for others not knowing Arthur's gender: it was stated that when she pulled the Sword from the Stone, she stopped aging and essentially gave up her humanity. As such, it was believed that she was merely a pre-pubescent boy.

And no, she did not speak Japanese. Seriously, come on. This was not only explained in the VN, but in the Fate/Zero anime too. When a Servant is summoned, they gain knowledge necessary to the current world, including how to operate current technology and languages.

As for the gender swapping, no. Nasu was being market savvy. And Fate/Extra clearly showed that a female master can do the same thing, as Rin does it with Saber/Caster.

[Sansker]

Yeah, I was only half serious there. Because: I know about the language but in the flashback at the end of Fate we do hear Saber speak Japanese, so the spell even gave the other knight the ability to talk Japanese and understand it without even noticing he was speaking it? Talk about convenience. On that note, I will assume the skirt and the boobs in the armor chest give away the “pre-pubescent boy” thing. Really, not many knights went in to battle with a skirt. Even the kilt weren’t invented until the 16th century.

I did play the VN, second I don’t think they did explain those problems, and they just assume nobody will look. Also isn’t Fate/Extra not cannon or something? I don’t really know much about it aside from the fact that they change the gender of an historical figure, Nero, from a crazy roman emperor to a little girl in red. Because if that only happens there and not in FSN then doesn’t count.

Now, in all seriousness, those ideas I point there are just because I find them silly, I don’t really think they need an explanation just an opinion.

[anime fan99]

Originally Posted by Sansker

So Merlin gave Saber a dick... I don’t want to know what that guy does on Friday nights.

Also changing gender isn't that easy with legendary figures. Just look at Saber here, where that kid of her came from? Also is everyone blind? They say was magic to keep an illusion that Saber wasn't a girl but even so she was really small have a very feminine voice and talk japanese.

Ok to be fair that was a joke but changing the gender here only serve one purpose: make the scene when Saber had to recharge mana before facing Berserker in Fate sexy. Why? Well think about this: A woman can't give her Servant mana that form so the Master must be male, then if the Servant was male... well you can see why that will never work. Can you see shirou doing that with Lancer? Or Archer? The situation will be just as desperate but that will be really gay. I have nothing against Saber but her gender doesn't seem to add much to the story beyond romance and sex.

I can not decide shirou doing that with Archer will means he doing himself makes it more wrong or less wrong

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Sansker

Yeah, I was only half serious there. Because: I know about the language but in the flashback at the end of Fate we do hear Saber speak Japanese, so the spell even gave the other knight the ability to talk Japanese and understand it without even noticing he was speaking it? Talk about convenience.

Stop. Just stop. That's clearly just because they aren't going to hire British actors or hope they don't butcher the language for one tiny scene. Seriously.

On that note, I will assume the skirt and the boobs in the armor chest give away the “pre-pubescent boy” thing. Really, not many knights went in to battle with a skirt.

All of the knights there either wore the "skirt", which is more of a robe (you know... royalty) or full leg armor. All of the knights seemed to wear that chest plate.

I did play the VN, second I don’t think they did explain those problems, and they just assume nobody will look.

No, they did. You just either weren't paying attention or forgot.

Also isn’t Fate/Extra not cannon or something? I don’t really know much about it aside from the fact that they change the gender of an historical figure, Nero, from a crazy roman emperor to a little girl in red. Because if that only happens there and not in FSN then doesn’t count.

Fate/Extra is still written by Nasu, and follows the laws of his universe.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by GDB

Stop. Just stop. That's clearly just because they aren't going to hire British actors or hope they don't butcher the language for one tiny scene. Seriously.

Wouldn't have helped anyway. Saber spoke either Ancient Latin or Brythonic, both of which are dead languages that I'm not sure we even know how to speak (at least perfectly). She most certainly did not speak English (which is descended from the language of the Saxons), and if they had her doing so that would have been a far worse failure than just having her speak the native language of the country the show is made for, as practically every film and TV show ever does.