(L) Dungeon ni Deai o Motomeru no wa Machigatte Iru Darou ka (LN)

[DerDoppelganger]

Originally Posted by Hata

you don’y need a group, it is what kind of Lv. 6 adventurer that would be a good fit against Juggernaut, the right kind could be instant kill since Juggernaut is pretty weak defense wise, (Aiz, Bete, etc, the one who wield unbreakable adamant weapon or use magic+weapon combo like Argo Vesta, of which Aiz is both.), however the wrong kind (pure magic user like Riveria) probably is dead meat and can only try run away.

Juggernaut is deadly because there is no record of it in the guild, (since it only appears once? in the history) so a first encounter against people not wielding unbreakable weapon or magic users not properly prepare there is simply no counter, once words get out what kind of monster it is the survival rate will go up.

There are two occurances so far.

The other one was when the Astraea Familia was annihilated, Ryuu aside.

Technically, the Juggernaut is a glass cannon, since only its strength and speed are level 6-ish, with claws that are easily able to destroy Bell's Dil Adamantite armor, which even Asterius couldn't manage to do.

Its defense is left to be desired, except for its armor that can reflect magic back at the caster, although that will no longer be a problem, since Bell shattered it with Argo Vesta, along with an arm and part of its tail.

If Bell can somehow manage to heal before it arrives, the Juggernaut shouldn't be as much of a problem...if Ryuu and him were not on the 37th floor, that is, being home to Udaeus.

[Tachibana]

Well, it's fitting that Bell should be the one to finish the Juggernaut for good. Ryuu ain't never gonna be able to sleep good at night until that thing is dead. And Bell is the best choice for this.

[DerDoppelganger]

Some people believe that Ryuu should be the one to do it in order for her to gain closure, but Bell doing it in her stead would give her a reason to show her gratitude by joining Hestia Familia.

As long as it's not a "power of friendship" tandem finishing move, I will be satisfied.

Another reason people have been giving for Bell killing the Juggernaut is for him to reach level 5, even though he doesn't possess the necessary requirements, namely one or more D-rank basic ability.

Their reasoning is that no one has ever been in Bell's position before, with all of his basic abilities consistently exceeding S-rank, so his hidden stats now exceeding his actual level in agility might trigger an impromptu level-up.

Some even go as far as claiming that Bell will defeat the Juggernaut and Udaeus in quick succession, reaching level 6 in the process, although that is very doubtful.

Why be in such a hurry for the series to finish?

[Tachibana]

Originally Posted by DerDoppelganger

Some people believe that Ryuu should be the one to do it in order for her to gain closure, but Bell doing it in her stead would give her a reason to show her gratitude by joining Hestia Familia.

As long as it's not a "power of friendship" tandem finishing move, I will be satisfied.

Another reason people have been giving for Bell killing the Juggernaut is for him to reach level 5, even though he doesn't possess the necessary requirements, namely one or more D-rank basic ability.

Their reasoning is that no one has ever been in Bell's position before, with all of his basic abilities consistently exceeding S-rank, so his hidden stats now exceeding his actual level in agility might trigger an impromptu level-up.

Some even go as far as claiming that Bell will defeat the Juggernaut and Udaeus in quick succession, reaching level 6 in the process, although that is very doubtful.

Why be in such a hurry for the series to finish?

Oh no, I'm in no hurry for the series to end. From the looks of things we have a long way to go and I couldn't be happier.

If the plan is to have Ryuu join the Hestia familia. Then all the more reason for Bell to solo the Juggernaut at the very least. Though I'm not saying this because Bell's the MC but I find it even more fitting if Bell kills the Juggernaut. Let him be her savior instead of her simply doing out of vengeance.

I have considered the possibility of Bell soloing both the Juggernaut and the Udaeus. Though I find this doubtful. While he is more then capable of finishing the Juggernaut. That still leaves yet another monster to deal with. Maybe if he rests and heals up between both battles the possibility is there. However, the given situation makes that impossible.

I remember it was mentioned that there is the possibility that Asterius will show up.

[DerDoppelganger]

Agreed on all points.

With a Limit Off Argonaut, everything is possible, but I think it would cheapen the final fight, so it would be best for Omori to make us forget about it until then, if such a thing is even possible.

Another thing to consider is the fact that Bell might not be able to level-up following his return to the surface, in which case him defeating both the Juggernaut and Udaeus before rejoining his party on the 27th floor would be quite problematic.

His expedition would include the following events: 1st to 25th floor, Moss Huge x 2, 25th to 18th floor, 18th to 27th floor, Lambton x 2, Juggernaut x 2, Udaeus*, 37th to 27th floor, 27th to the surface.

A single major fight is usually enough to increase his basic abilities by a sub-level or more (low, mid, high, overlimit), so the combination of the aforementioned events would bring his basic abilities to a ridiculous level, even without a fight against Udaeus.

Not only that, but he would have to do a level-up worthy deed almost immediately for them not to increase even further, although there is nothing he can do about the status points from said encounter, leading to another sub-level gain or so.

With this in mind, Bell going against Danmachi's established rules once more wouldn't be that surprising.

[Gundam Meister]

You know why hasn't Bell question the speed at which he leveling up eventually he as to realized the existence of Liaris Freese

[Tachibana]

Spoiler for Question:

Does anybody know the name of the side story in which Bell has a dream about marrying Aiz and all the girls?

[Soulwarfare42]

Originally Posted by Tachibana

Spoiler for Question:

Does anybody know the name of the side story in which Bell has a dream about marrying Aiz and all the girls?

http://danmachi.wikia.com/wiki/User_...ER_~Side_Bell~

[Tachibana]

Originally Posted by Soulwarfare42

http://danmachi.wikia.com/wiki/User_...ER_~Side_Bell~

It's been driving me nuts trying to find that. Thank you!

[pervypig]

Holley shat... dat's one heavenly (nice boat) end

Spoiler:

...and a "heroine" that stood out with its bloodstained double bladed battle axe-

[Zefyris]

Well technically Ryu herself killed that thing last time.
Also that thing's speed is faster than Bell in melee, but not by a long shot, since he can keep up with the blows. Meaning that thing is probably around as fast as the fastest level 4 around (Kuroe). And Kuroe is not as fast as Mia by a long shot, and Mia doesn't seem like the speed specialized fighter type, so it's safe to assume that any level 6 at melee range is faster than a Juggernaut. Someone mentioned Riveria, I'll point out that Riveria isn't a pure caster at all, and can handle herself in melee against level 6 opponents, as she proved already in Sword oratoria. She can also self heal with short length spell while fighting.
Let's not mention how faster would be the rumoured fastest level 6 (Allen) compared to it.
So I don't think any level 6 would struggle that much in close combat.

The juggenaut still has dangerous weapons though. His weapon will cut through a level 6 body and armour no problem, and its max speed is quite faster when it's launching at someone from afar. However, it was still a speed Bell's eyes could keep up with, so any level 6 should still be able to dodge.
The major problem would be the surprise itself. A level 6 casually trying to block or parry instead of dodging, or casually casting a strong attacking spell without knowing about the reflect would be a major problem. If they're aware of the threat, none of them would be killed. If they're not, it's harder. I still don't think any would be killed though.

As for Uldaeus, that thing doesn't move from its room; so as long as they don't go there (provided that bell's luck stat didn't suddenly choose to take a vacation and therefore they didn't fell right into that one) it shouldn't be a problem. Also, Bell doesn't have the level for that one. Even together with Ryu and fully healed, he's still not anything close.

Also, I don't think the author wants Bell to get too much xp on top of what he's currently getting. That's because he has been giving the rest of the party their own very tough fights (if it was just to keep them away from helping bell, there was no need for that, since Bell and Ryu are now lost 10 floors lower, no way they can find him there in time) with that Well Worm and that two headed dragon. Which means he's trying to have them gain some XP of their own to avoid leaving them too much behind.

[Tachibana]

So what is the level requirement to beat the Juggernaut? And how strong is the Uldaeus?

[Estzero1]

Originally Posted by Tachibana

And how strong is the Udaeus?

I believe it was stated that Udaeus is Level 6. So you can imagine what's necessary to hold your own against him.

[kari-no-sugata II]

This might be a dumb question but would they really have to defeat Udaeus to go back up? I can understand him being a blocker to going further down and being a blocker if they were on the 38th floor... but I don't see how Udaeus would be a blocker if you're already on the 37th floor.

[Twi]

Can't his spartoi give chase and surround them?

[kari-no-sugata II]

I think there'll be enough going on in the next book that requiring Bell and Ryuu to defeat Udeaus on top of it would be too much, unless it's going to take another 2 books for them to get back home safely.

If Bell and Ryuu stumble upon the area where Udeaus is then they might have to face the spartoi but even then I don't think they'd be required to kill Udeaus.

[KPSJ]

So who is still part of bell's familia? Is the samurai from the other family still with them? And does bell talk to that flat chested twin?

[ozman]

ı think he will face on all monsters at 37 floor alone to protect ryuu...
Juggernaut+ Uldaeus+Amphisbaena (hell's bell is coming)

this was a true challange for only him...ı didn't expext less (for the unsung hero)

voll 11 delayed to June 5 for normal amazon.

[Sekiryuu12]

Amphisbaena is in the 27° floor do you really think Bell is going to make it in time ?

[Zefyris]

No he won't. This isn't Index where while technically having many powerful allies somehow those allies always end up going picnicking somewhere when it's time to face the big bad boss. Bell never really faced alone "bosses antagonists" stronger than him after he stopped being a lone adventurer. He may have had the final blows, but he was always helped at least at one point or another during the fight. The author is careful with that, never giving Bell all the glory.
The Minotaurus? Saved by Lili who took a massive blow in his stead.
The Goliath? helped by 500 adventurers including 2 level 4.
After that, helped in many ways, healed, buffed, assisted, protected, supported, and so on by his teammates and by various Xenos. Sometimes it's indirect help, like having his enemy already heavily wounded and minus one arm when he faces it, but it's still help.

This time again, he didn't beat the Well Worm, he assisted Ryu, and he didn't beat (temporarily ) the Juggernaut alone, Ryu tanked it for a while while he was recovering, and he was healed both by Ryu first, and then by Mari. He also only survived because Cassandra forsaw the problem and asked Welf for a protection made of the goliath's skin for him, and because Welf crafted it in hurry with her help.

He's being helped at every level. Heal, tactics sometimes, gear, support, tanking the opponent when he needs time for recovering or charging his attack, buffing (Haruhime especially), or simply fighting together.

This isn't a novel where the MC is going to solo all the problem. Even if he's the one taking the major part of the glory, the author makes sure that he's never soloing important part. Once again, he fell down with Ryu, rather than alone, there's a reason for that.

Originally Posted by Tachibana

So what is the level requirement to beat the Juggernaut? And how strong is the Uldaeus?

To be sure to beat it with little danger, probably level 6.
Any decent level 5 should be able to do it just as well, but prior knowledge would be a good idea. Bell was lucky enough to not die without knowledge, mostly due to the Goliath muffler and Mari's insane healing abilities (and Ryu diverting it while he was healed too), but usually you don't have that available especially solo right.
Also pure mages can't take it out for obvious reasons, but there is no pure mage above level 4 as far as adventurers that we readers already know, all the level 5 and 6 we saw were able to fight in close combat.
Anything below that would probably die if alone (and as a matter of fact, bell this time and Ryu 5 years ago would have died if alone, and his stats are pretty damn good), but as we've seen, if helped enough level 4 with high stats can be a danger to it.

That thing is an extreme glass canon, super fast and its hits cannot be blocked (baring scarce exceptions), but a level 4 's physical strength is more than enough to break its shell. Which means that anyone that is fast enough to dodge the blow will quickly dispatch it.

As for the Uldaeus, the Guild usually gives to Floor bosses 2 levels more than the normal monsters' given level on that same floor. Normal monster level goes up by 1 every 12 floors (with the floors at the limit between two levels being usually populated by both levels monsters). Uldaeus is the 37th floor Floor Boss, with means that he's on the first level 4 floor. hence, his registered level is 6.

Originally Posted by KPSJ

So who is still part of bell's familia? Is the samurai from the other family still with them? And does bell talk to that flat chested twin?

All of those contracted with Hestia in volume 6 have contracted for 1 year period (except Lili who is a permanent recruit) since you cannot "lend" familia for less than that. That year hasn't passed (not even half of it AFAIK) so they're all still part of it. Haruhime joined since then, as a permanent member as well.
So Bell, Haruhime and Liliruca as "permanent" members, and Welf, Mikoto at least until the end of the 1 year contract.
They are joined during their expedition in dungeons by Chigusa and Ouka from Takemikazuchi familia, Cassandra and Daphne from Miach Familia, as well as this time by Aisha from Hermes Familia. But none of those are technically Hestia Familia.

Hestia Familia makes for 50% of the group of 10, so the dungeon expedition is considered to be from Hestia familia.

That "flat chested twin" amazoness (Tiona) didn't had a lot of time to talk with Bell lately. IIRC they kind of met each other during the previous arc, but it wasn't as allies and they didn't really had the time to talk either. Both side have been very busy lately.