2018-05-25, 13:28 | Link #381 |
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Not really a surprise though. People already calling on this long ago; NK have nothing goes in it's favour except Nuclear weapon - asking them to give up on it mean telling NK to give up it's sole card at negotiation.
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2018-05-25, 13:49 | Link #382 | |
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So you can bet trump can break deals, but creating them? Unless someone else does the deed and brings the document to his desk for him to sign, there is no chance. It is more likely that the usa will leave nato than trump doing a deal with nk. |
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2018-05-25, 20:13 | Link #383 |
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Really, either way just how much longer the North Koreans will suffer and pain with this kind of hopelessness of so called living while the ones with powers keep prelonging their so called "safety" of its own comfortness with no intentions of sharing with people below them?
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2018-05-25, 23:09 | Link #384 | |
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2018-05-26, 00:10 | Link #385 |
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@dragon1412 You forget to point out that the reason the economy of NK is broke is the same reason behind venezuela's 13,000% inflation, the government has run the economy into the ground and has no intention of changing the status quo. If anything it is obvious Kim wants to rule SK to claim the riches of their economy as him (and ruin that also, but those at the top have nothing to worry).
As things stand, best case scenario is NK invades the south with little bloodshed and then china invades the north in a coup d'état so that the korean economy falls into the chinese sphere of influence but maintains its economical might. Worst case scenario, nukes will detonate. |
2018-05-26, 00:41 | Link #386 | |
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There is no solution to the situation as long as the Kim family stays in power. NK could offer a more stable Asia and things like reuniting countless families but all of them would require them to open themselves to others and Kim and his goons wouldn't survive that.
It's one small step after another while trying to make as few steps backwards as possible but unfortunately Trump and his circle of idiots went all or nothing in their demands. A strategy that was certain to fail from the beginning. Quote:
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2018-05-26, 01:22 | Link #387 | |
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2018-05-26, 02:51 | Link #388 | |
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As a matter of fact, the similar issues is also presenting with China, the military threat of CHina is not as high as people thinks, but they are much more powerful economically |
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2018-05-26, 05:28 | Link #389 |
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The Kims are screwed the instant they take steps toward a possible end of this situation. Even if they do step down peacefully, people will demand a trial for all the crimes the Kims commited.
Otherwise you end up in uncomfortable situations like in Cambodia where people have former khmer rouges as neighbors and they knows those killed their families, or Talibans coming back in Afghanistan, as if their setbacks were mere slap on the wrist for the sheer misery they inflicted on the Afghani. To give a clearer picture of how awkward and terrible the situation in those countries are, imagine if there were no Nuremberg trials and that Goering and his buddies were living peaceful lives in the neighborhood. North Koreans likely would want none of that if the dictatorship end.
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2018-05-26, 09:42 | Link #390 | |
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2018-05-26, 13:28 | Link #392 |
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Even if offered, I do not think the Kim family believe it after what happened in Iraq and Libya, Heck, after capitulation the best he can expect is life in prision like Manuel Antonio Noriega (from Panama) got.
The simple truth is that dictators (whether they are called Kim or Assad) will not relinquish power when they have the support they need to continue in power and china is not letting go unless Kim nukes Beijing. |
2018-05-26, 18:37 | Link #393 | |
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Although the path of putting up a puppet leader is not always successful, each attempt usually shows how much a superpower trusts its own intelligence services and black ops units to get rid of a thorn that gets bigger in the side. Sounds to me that the Chinese have none towards their own in solving the North Korean issue. |
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2018-05-26, 19:40 | Link #394 | |
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Also, remember how many times fidel castro said the CIA tried to assassinate him, but at the end of the day is hard to change a dictator without invading first the country. The USA even had to invade grenada (which is a puny nation no matter what metric you use) to enact regime change. For China invading NK to remove kim is a poison pill, the net profit would be negative, they are not about to make the same mistake the USSR made in afghanistan or the USA did in iraq, they are too shrewd for that. |
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2018-05-27, 16:59 | Link #395 | |
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2018-05-28, 00:53 | Link #396 | |
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China's army seem numerous, but if you consider the size of their border, discounting the amounts needed to guard the borders, the remains actually isn't that big, more powerful than most others, but it is still at most larger than 1 or 2 of their neighbors. And many do not know, but China's army is also tasked with quelling unrest. The forces China can actually mustered is in reality, far more smaller than what you think. And yes, the people in CN actually don't like their president that much. |
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2018-05-28, 10:09 | Link #398 | |
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China resorted to bullying tactics towards Taiwan for the same issues, like i said, CHina will probably never move their own army 1st because it'd definitely create a coalition against them, that's why they use bullying tactics and show of arms to force the hand of smaller countries, the SCS countries sit down to see the confrontation between CN and US is one thing, but if any "incidents" happened, the numbers that China can mobilize is rather limited, own to it's wide border and social unrest - and they have no natural allies either, maybe they will have allies from some small countries, but the most militant countries will never on their side given their history, no chance whatsoever for NK or SK to assist China, Vietnam won't given their history, and don't count on Russia to help China either, and worse, Russia share extremely wide border with China, so they can't pull armies from the border, and there is also India, which is no less powerful military wise/ Of course this is only apply to Military case, since there is no chance of that, CN resorted to money slap and economics bullying, as shown with Taiwan case, and as much as i don't want to admit this, this is actually effective to a certain extent What really baffled me is why they are so commited to doing this, i mean, sure, SCS is actually rich in mineral and oils, but compare to China and their rightful sea territories, the amount is barely higher and is share by multiple countries in the area, which is actually not really worth it since 1 wrong move and China will have themselves siced on my many countries, and considered big one like US who is outright conflicted CN in good light with SCS issues, and the chance of Russia assist China should a war happen is extremely minimal, it's not that i don't understand that SCS is really valuable, but the risk of sheer rebound is so great that i don't know why CN risked this |
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2018-05-28, 12:19 | Link #399 | |
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This also reminds me how in the GitS TV series they kept saying there was a world war in the southern pacific aka Vietnam war II, back then I thought it was nonsense, but now I can see how it could become a reality. |
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2018-05-28, 13:44 | Link #400 | |
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I only wish a typhoon to just wipe that military base out. |
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