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2006-01-03, 16:18 | Link #22 | |
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Why not agree to disagree. Say, the soul of true Zanpakuto are born from the Shinigami that holds it, and then becomes its own personality. That way you cover the independt creature, as well as its connection to the Shinigami |
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2006-01-03, 19:12 | Link #23 | ||
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2006-01-03, 23:49 | Link #24 |
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As I recall, the zanpakutou isn't a separate entity but instead a reflection of the person's soul. The Shikai form is the embodiment of that reflection and then the Bankai form is the reflection of the concious individual.
It's like concious and subconcious, the sword's avatar is the subconcious and the shikai is it's embodiment. The Bankai is the embodiment of the conciousness. edit - I believe hollow forms are simply the darkness to normal shinigami's light... Keeping in mind that perceptions of good and evil are vastly different from person to person... So what Happened with hollow-ichi and byakuya was the striking of the balance between dark and light, the yin and the yang. You can take your imagination from there~ |
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2006-01-04, 15:26 | Link #26 | |
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2006-01-04, 19:33 | Link #27 | ||
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Using the Occam's Razor principle, the fact that we have been told and the fact that this is a shounen, the simplest way of interpreting the ichigo-zangetsu relationship is to go by what we are told. If you assume anything else you are very possibly reading far too into a manga/anime that is meant to entertain, not stimulate deep though and confuse. Assuming too much and ignoring what information has been given to us is absolute folly. If we are told what the relationship between ichigo and zangetsu is, I highly doubt we're being lied to. |
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2006-01-05, 00:57 | Link #28 | |
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I'm entirely familiar with Occam's Razor, but going on the observed evidence, that Zangetsu has clearly different motivations and plans than Ichigo, and that Zangetsu knows things that Ichigo does not, I can clearly see what the simplest answer is. Can you? I don't deny that the Shinigami and his Zanpakuto are linked in some extremely profound kind of a way, but I don't accept that the personality of the Zanpakuto is just an aspect of the Shinigami. I find no conclusive evidence to suggest that I should accept this premise. It's an extremely valid narrative device to have characters feeding the viewer with information which they believe to be true, but which may not, in fact, be true. What I find hard to believe is that I just got a negrep for my posting in this thread. You know, this forum is rapidly starting to lose all appeal. if members are going to negrep me just for disagreeing with them, then that's pretty lame. Whoever you are, I hope you're impressed with yourself. |
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2006-01-05, 05:14 | Link #29 |
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I dont believe in Soluzar's point of view, but you might wonder why is it that Ichigo got himself a old, weird guy with a beard, who looks like a hippie, to represent his soul thingie, really, how messed up must you be.
Zangetsu strike me as very old, much older then Ichigo, as if he had lived for thousand and thousands of years before Ichigo came along, and in that time he ponders, and have decided that the grunge hippie look is the ultimate look. But then again a disorderly personality can be whatever he wants to be. Oh well, i say let people believe whatever they want to believe. Like me, i believe that Ichigo is gay and Zangetsu is a pervert, no proof, but i say its true. |
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2006-01-05, 14:03 | Link #31 | |
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Nah Im just kidding. But dang ... those Shinigami arent normal logical guys! |
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2006-01-05, 14:38 | Link #32 | |
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What I don't get is that the hollow inside ichigo completely takes over control in a way where ichigo has to resist it to get control of his body back. I seriously doubt that Aizen would want to lose control of his own body and his own powers to a hollow in this way.
I think that what Aizen wants and what Ichigo has are two totally different things and quite possibly have nothing to do with each other either. Ichigo does have the innate ability of holding a lot of spirit power, so the hollow part inside of him might have been something that had been present before episode #1 Then the hollow transformation in the pit might have been one of the first reactions to it. Also, since ichigo's mother got killed by Hollows, it might have been a reaction to that a long time ago. But anyway I don't know and can only speculate about this as a possibility. In this case, however, there is no possible way for us to be sure how ichigo got his "hollow" powers and what they really are. Ichigo's powers also seem to have the unique effect of awakening powers within his friends, because if I'm not mistaken it was once mentioned earlier in the anime that it was due ichigo that the others obtained their powers (apart from the archer guy, that is). |
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2006-01-05, 17:17 | Link #35 | |
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Conflicts arise when looking at ichigo's family, who all seem to have something special concerning death gods and that Don guy (if I'm not mixing up names, but I mean that weird ghost hunter guy >.>'). |
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2006-01-05, 21:14 | Link #38 | |
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