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View Poll Results: Macross Delta - Episode 11 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 4 | 13.33% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 13 | 43.33% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 7 | 23.33% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 10.00% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 6.67% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 3.33% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2016-06-12, 16:56 | Link #21 | |
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2016-06-12, 17:04 | Link #23 | |
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Heinz is out. KO. No Heinz, no Var, no control over Al-Shahal forces. Keith's fighter is mostly out, others are damaged. Delta is still OK, except for Messer (obviously), and three Walküre are still perfectly able to sing. The Knights did the smart thing and went home. |
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2016-06-12, 17:50 | Link #24 | |
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Also, my stress is the moment-skip. You can always do some fill-in-the-banks later on, but that doesn't change the fact that the moment-skip happened (similar to that one moment in IBO).
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2016-06-12, 20:42 | Link #25 | |
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And for the record Herman, Cassim, Keith and one of the twins (or was it Bogue?) didn't get their valkyries damaged so they could have done something before the local NUNS forced arrived. Spoiler for answer:
By the way, because they used Remember 16 in this episode some people were undoubtedly reminded of what happened to Physica in Macross 7 and are having some fun with it
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2016-06-12, 20:57 | Link #26 | |
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Sadly though with Keith being persistent, one way or another they're going to lose something. Roid somehow has that prediction. Also all of a sudden Heinz's father is back to normal and is commanding a ship?? Here I thought he was bedridden but war sorta fueled him to get back on shape xD He must be that annoyed. Some people have been speculating that Delta squadron could be a disadvantage at this point but I took some consideration on that part. Keith's unit is kinda damaged and it seems like he's not going to sortie anytime soon, Bogue and the others covering up for that. And if Heinz suddenly stops singing because he got tired, they'd definitely lose. Messer's death is another fuel for the squadron's revenge, Hayate most likely leading that.
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2016-06-12, 20:58 | Link #27 |
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Kaname was bottling up her feelings. That's why in the ending had Mikumo and Freyja (plus Reina and Makina, I guess) helping her to reach catharsis over her loss . She was trying to keep herself together and act strong as the Mom figure of the team and the leader. It had nothing to do with Arad specifically, but something to do with her self-imposed role as leader of Walkure. Walkure showed her it was okay to grieve.
(It's those little moments of why I enjoy Walkure cast over the other characters, such wonderful subtle comradeship!).
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2016-06-12, 21:09 | Link #29 | |
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The shoulder areas of the chair gave it away...let's just say he was "shot through the heart". xD Oh, in concern to Messer's death, does anyone think the coffin is a bit small? I do think that because he probably "exploded" to smithereens after the laser shot, what was left of him was put inside the box.
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2016-06-13, 01:16 | Link #30 | ||
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The reason they went there in the first place was to secure the ruins. Without Heinz they're just some guys in fancy mechs with their leader/ace mostly out of action, they have no chance to accomplish their mission. So they kind of shrugged and went home. Quote:
And yes, without Heinz they're pretty much done for. That's one reason why Roid is so worried (and perhaps that he genuinely likes Heinz), while Keith is pushing for an all-out offensive to succeed asap. |
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2016-06-13, 02:19 | Link #31 | ||
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No, they can’t. It’s Windermere that can get away any time after launching their (hypothetical) attacks to Walkure while the local forces still need time recuperating from Vars. We have seen how regular soldiers still need time to pick themselves up after getting Vars-ed, let alone ready for battle (unless you’re Messer). Quote:
But anyway, at this point, I’d say any kind of logical argument goes since we don’t actually know what happened or what could’ve happened. And again, that’s my (and Dash_Hunter’s) main problem about this episode: the moment-skip which took place during the part where we want to know exactly what happened. No matter what the medium, a moment-skip in the middle of a battle/clash/conflict is almost always a poor decision in a story since it reduces narrative clarity and cuts the flow of the narrative, unless the author use that skip for something story-related.
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2016-06-13, 02:56 | Link #32 | |||
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They tried to target the Walküre once after their respective singers went down, they didn't succeed, and ended up with Keith's fighter out of the game for their trouble. There was no point in trying further. That's not what they were there for. Not to mention Keith is aware of the huge-ass Protoculture ship they're repairing, and how it's just a matter of time until it's operational enough to move. There was no point in risking his own life, and the lives of his men, on something that they can do in a few days or maybe weeks (day, as it turned out) with much better chances. Quote:
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2016-06-13, 03:29 | Link #33 | |
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I'd say they're equally stupid. But at least IBO clearly showed that Carta still has her boys in MSs to help her escape at that point. So it's easier for the audience to fill-in-the-blanks on how she can get away from the Gundam's grip (and IBO actually showed the other MSs still helping Carta get away after the moment-skip). In this episode of Delta, we cut to funeral after a climactic/cliffhanger moment in the middle of a fight, making it feels more jarring. If I have to choose between the two, I'd chose IBO's moment-skip that does it better (I still don't like it though).
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2016-06-13, 05:51 | Link #34 |
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Well, seems the show is finally kicking into high gear. No step forward on the romance front, but at this point, who cares?
I seriously am not perturbed by the Knights just going home after last episode. They achieved their objective, they obviously have greater stuff in mind, like enslaving an entire sector under the hollow premise of "Manifest Destiny". When the subs are out, there will be more to say on the details.
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2016-06-13, 07:49 | Link #36 |
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Man the last episode really did leave us with a lot of questions what are mikumo, freiya and trap boy's sickness, why did the aerial knights back off when their enemy (who will hinder them in their future plans) are in a serious disadvantage, why is messer plane still intact despite having dead pilot and a turned off VI, what is that green stream that messer, keith and hayate shown and what is required to activate it, and Does Con-vaart hate J-pop.
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2016-06-13, 08:41 | Link #37 | |
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The Aerial Knights had to back off cause they knew that someone from the enemy squad was killed and they'd probably get rekt if they fight back. We all know that even in a disadvantage, an angry Hayate would most likely chase off Keith getting revenge. Though that was left off for the upcoming episodes. As for the green stream, is that the one you meant when they were chasing each other at high speeds? Keith uses his runes to do that, Hayate uses the fold crystal that he has + Freyja singing, and for Messer he uses his Var to make his Valkyrie fly in a very fast rate (the way he managed to hit the drones were like wow). ...and who knows, Bogue must really, really like J-pop.
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2016-06-13, 10:17 | Link #39 |
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Yeah, no matter how angry he is, without Frei's singing-boost, I don't think he's on the level of the knights right now (maybe except for Bogue), and sheer anger will just make him reckless and got him KIA. Remember that scene where he got knocked-out by Var-ed NUNS pilot even after his "glorious war cry" to protect Freyja? Like a good jedi master said: he needs more training.
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2016-06-13, 15:01 | Link #40 |
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Romance is the least interesting the thing in this show. I mean I love the relationships between the characters, but I can't say I'm interested if they hooked up. As long this triangle stuff doesn't hurt the great friendship between Freyja and Hayate, I couldn't care less about who they date.
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