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2015-05-10, 16:14 | Link #22 | |
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Like i said earlier, Fenrir never ran amok and if it did and Gleipnir never existed then who knows ?? Half of Gods of norse would have probably been in Fenrir's belly Sounds like you added Anime version here, most of the time in second fight it was immobilized by Gleipnir, once it was set free for a moment it blietzkrieged Tannin and Vali in just a minute. It took JD, Excalibur ruler, and Gleipnir to subdue Fenrir. |
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2015-05-10, 16:26 | Link #23 | |
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And you seem to ignore that he was stopped by Ise when there was no Gleipnir around. He isn't half as strong as what the HDs are said to be. He couldn't kill a bunch of teenagers when he was at top notch condition. Do you know what it took to seal two HDs? 3 OF THE STRONGEST FACTIONS IN THE WORLD. He's not as strong as an HD. Period. |
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2015-05-10, 16:51 | Link #24 | |
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Top notch condition? do you mean being ordered around by someone who is cocky as hell is in top notch condition? You realized if Loki did not pull out in the first fight due to his arrogance , ALL gremory team including Odin, Azazel, and Baraqiel would have been kaput Strongest factions ?? each three of them ?? where did you get that info ?? |
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2015-05-10, 17:05 | Link #26 | |
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And I repeat something you are just ignoring, Asia's "actual death" didn't manage to give Ise the strenght of a HD, how could a threat to Rias give him the strenght to stop such a being without any consequences? He was as strong as he could be, being ordered around or not doesn't make him weaker. I never said they were THE 3 strongest factions. I said they were 3 OF the strongest factions. God of the Bible (For sure) and the Old Maou (Not so sure about them but I think Ishibumi said they were also) were said to be in the top 10 strongest beings when alive. They were actually feared by most factions aside from the Hindu Gods, to a point where the current leaders hid their deaths so that other Factions wouldn't attack them. |
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Volume 5: mountain level (probably the typical average mountain or a little smaller or bigger)) volume 9: city level (at least Kyoto size) or probably more since they were inside the dimension created by Dimension Lost that time. And it also caused some distortion to the dimension on the top of city busting. atm I can't confirm exactly how strong is crimson dragon blaster from his CCQ but i think its at least stronger than welsh bishop's dragon blaster. For now I can assume that its at least beyond city level but not country level or multi city level since I actually have no proof on that one atm. For Longinus Smashher, the one I can confirm is that its able to turn sky red but the problem is the affected range so I'm pretty unsure abut it as well. well gl quantifying Issei's DC in details tonight Last edited by Krudelu; 2015-05-10 at 21:20. |
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2015-05-10, 19:48 | Link #29 | |
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It'll be better if we can at least mention destructive capability as big as what country to figure out in what level is it country-busting since countries vary in sizes after all. |
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2015-05-10, 20:42 | Link #31 | |
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IIRC It was also said that in terms of physical prowess (Strenght, speed, reflexes and etc) Ise is better than Vali when talking about their base forms. And if Vali didn't use EJOD, he'd lose for sure, his BB is weaker than Ise's CCQ. I don't disagree with the fact Vali would win right now, it's 99.999% sure he would. But the fight wouldn't be a curbstomp. It'd be really close since they both have their own advantages torwards the other. |
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2015-05-10, 20:45 | Link #32 | |
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2015-05-10, 21:55 | Link #36 | |
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The HD were cornered by 3 whole armies of Fallen Angels, Devils, Angels, God, and the Original Maou. you can't possibly compare that to less than a dozen Devils, a Valkyrie, a Fallen Angel, one Angel and two Dragon Kings. |
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2015-05-10, 22:25 | Link #37 | |
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2015-05-10, 22:40 | Link #38 | |
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Azazel didn't get owned twice, he and Cao Cao fought on even ground in V9. And being humble? Yeah right, Cao Cao lost because of his arrogance. Besides, he has the most OP weapon in the world, and is the descendant of one of the greatest strategists of China. Kokabiel lost because Vali caught him off guard and divided his power by half multiple times. Ise could never beat Azazel as he is now. Azazel is the type of guy who prepares himself beforehand for any of the enemy's skills, he could just find a way to counter Ise's attacks easily. |
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2015-05-10, 22:54 | Link #39 | |
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2015-05-10, 23:10 | Link #40 | |
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Fallen Angels aren't weak, they are the same as Devils and Angels. Cao Cao has the most OP weapon in the DxD-verse which is as effective as Fenrir's fangs, what did you expect? And even with that he'd lose if he faced Azazel a third time, Azazel's true strength is his wits and tactics. He's more like a watered down version of Kurotsuchi from Bleach. |
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