Aquarion Logos - Anime General Discussion Thread

[Miraluka]

I just put my wish list:

- No Okada. Please..... ;_; I'll hand over my money as if this was a kickstarter.
- Kawamori without going NtF, that was seriously shit tiers to not say underwhelming, a waste of characters and mecha designs.
- Make me actualy CARE for the main characters for fucks sake, Mikono was hateable and by extension Amata became a stupid character yearning for her. I'm looking at your typical terrible love geometry Okada

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Eh, the problem with Nobunaga the Fool wasn't the concept or even the story, it was the overall pacing and the actual in-episode writing. Not to say Kawamori was innocent in those (he did handle the overall series composition, after all), but it's not like he was the single person responsible... Also, frankly, to me NobuFool was a hot, hot mess, lots of fun if you ask me (and it gave us Caesar! <3), so yeah.

On the contrary, I found the writing of few selected episodes rather good (though most ofthem are bad like you said). It’s when I see the overall story that I realized that it’s a one goddamn mess. One of the worst messes ever written for mecha anime. Heck, I think even the catastrophic Gundam SEED Destiny is better than The Fool (and I’d take Mwu la Flaga or Gilbert Durandal over Caesar anytime if we consider their overall arcs), and I freakin’ dislike Destiny, that’s saying something.

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

It's tons of fun, though, easily one of my favorite mecha series. Seriously, plot? what plot? The original Aquarion only suffered when every now and then it tried to take its plot seriously, otherwise it was awesome, tongue-in-cheek fun. (That's why I don't like the OVAs, they're all serious and bleh.) And as as far as I'm concerned, Evol's main problem was mainly the pacing and the horrible handling of the main characters and the love quadrangle, which was pretty much Okada's fault. (Same with the stupid dog retcon, that was also Okada and it was the stupidest idea ever.)

That’s my point though. You may joke about Aquarion has no plot, but it’s there and it’s plenty (at least as far as I’m concerned) and whenever they’re being serious with the plot, the show becomes....ugh. And the "the horrible handling of the main characters and the love quadrangle" is also part of the writing though, so you just support my basic point that the writing sucks.

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

who cares?

Exactly. We don’t care about the plot that the anime tried so hard to make us care. And the plot takes a great deal of screentime. That's the problem.

[kuromitsu]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

And the "the horrible handling of the main characters and the love quadrangle" is also part of the writing though, so you just support my basic point that the writing sucks.

I was trying to point out that that was Okada being Okada...

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Exactly. We don’t care about the plot that the anime tried so hard to make us care. And the plot takes a great deal of screentime. That's the problem.

Not for me - I think it's great fun. Frustrating sometimes? Sure, but overall a fun ride. Maybe I'm doing it wrong, though, but as long as I'm enjoying it....

[Haak]

Wasn't it pretty much established that the whole dog thing was all Kawamori's idea?

And I think the interview with Okada also made it pretty clear that the horrible resolutions with some of the characters was thanks to Kawamori and his jingoistic tendancies...

But I do agree that Aquarion EVOL was decent overall so maybe it's worth giving this one a chance. The problem is just that I can only seem to stand anything with Kawamori when Okada is there too. Genesis and The Fool were so bad I couldn't even finish either one.

But really, I also hope Okada isn't involved in this either. She's got better projects that she can be focusing on.

[DuelGundam2099]

Who watches Aquarion for plot anyway?

Me. I also take it seriously, that helps make it one of the best anime of all time.

Eh, I’m more worried about Kawamori’s writing after that shit Nobunaga the Fool he came up with (easily the worst mecha anime of that year, and arguably one of the worse-written mecha series as far as I can remember). Such a waste of beautiful character-design, cool mecha-design and good soundtrack.

I'd agree with this statement if you were talking about Daimidaler.

[kuromitsu]

Originally Posted by Haak

Wasn't it pretty much established that the whole dog thing was all Kawamori's idea?

It was an idea that they entertained back during Genesis - and then they scrapped it. (Which is why Apollo's doggie-like traits are, in the end, just a character quirk in Genesis.) In one of the interviews they specifically mention that Okada came up with retconning it back into Evol. (Of course the others also need a kick in the butt for going along with it...) So the dog thing is already a retcon, and I'm hoping that they'll retcon it away in the new show. Well, either that or they need to fully embrace its ridiculousness...

Originally Posted by Haak

And I think the interview with Okada also made it pretty clear that the horrible resolutions with some of the characters was thanks to Kawamori and his jingoistic tendancies...

What horrible resolutions? I loved the resolutions. It's what happened in-between that I didn't like.. :3 But I wrote at length about that in the Aquarion topic so I see no need to start going on about it again.

Especially since as far as we're aware this new project may feature Apollonius/doggie/whatever reincarnated as a girl with Celiane as three guys and Touma as a giraffe, or something...

Originally Posted by DuelGundam2099

I'd agree with this statement if you were talking about Daimidaler.

....but Daimidaler was awesome..... /clearly has a terrible taste in mecha anime

[Haak]

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

It was an idea that they entertained back during Genesis - and then they scrapped it. (Which is why Apollo's doggie-like traits are, in the end, just a character quirk in Genesis.) In one of the interviews they specifically mention that Okada came up with retconning it back into Evol. (Of course the others also need a kick in the butt for going along with it...) So the dog thing is already a retcon, and I'm hoping that they'll retcon it away in the new show. Well, either that or they need to fully embrace its ridiculousness...

Are you sure about that? Because the only reference I can find is an interview where Kawamori said he always wanted to do it and Okada just said it was a waste that he didn't:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php...00&page=19#460

Well personally I think the whole dog thing was a minor issue anyway but then that's probably because I didn't care for Genesis.

What horrible resolutions? I loved the resolutions. It's what happened in-between that I didn't like.. :3 But I wrote at length about that in the Aquarion topic so I see no need to start going on about it again.

Seriously? Well it wasn't bad but I always thought the resolutions for most of the characters were incredibly underwhelming. But yeah, the in-between stuff was definitely bad.

[DuelGundam2099]

....but Daimidaler was awesome..... /clearly has a terrible taste in mecha anime

No, it was worse than even Dai Shogun, the only things Crapdaler did right were: surprisingly good pacing, had some action, and the ending theme. Everything else had laughably bad execution and/or laziness. I get where they were trying to go with it, but the message was so poorly handled that it was basically "hey, don't make laws pertaining to sex because we can't molest girls if you do!". *face palm* Even Dai Shogun did the action and message better. Also

>terrible taste in mecha

Here's my MAL, that spoiler below my MALGraph ranks every anime I've ever watched from best to worst, I've seen far more than my far share of mecha. I feel quite insulted from that statement.

[kuromitsu]

Originally Posted by Haak

Are you sure about that? Because the only reference I can find is an interview where Kawamori said he always wanted to do it and Okada just said it was a waste that he didn't:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php...00&page=19#460

Yes, they might have had the idea of having him be the dog, but in the end they didn't do it in Genesis. So, it's a retcon in Evol. I wouldn't have minded if it was Amata/Kagura who were the dog, that would've been a fun twist, but with dragging Genesis into it it was just a poorly set-up and executed mess.

Originally Posted by DuelGundam2099

Even Dai Shogun did the action and message better.

Me, I wasn't watching for the message, though, I was in it for the silliness. Obviously it wasn't Dostoievsky, but I just wanted some OTT silly low-brow humor and that's what I got.

Originally Posted by DuelGundam2099

>terrible taste in mecha

Here's my MAL, that spoiler below my MALGraph ranks every anime I've ever watched from best to worst, I've seen far more than my far share of mecha. I feel quite insulted from that statement.

No no, I meant myself. Apparently I tend to like mecha stuff that nobody else likes or cares about...

[tsunade666]

Oh great another Aquarion... how long is the time skip now? 12000 years more or 120 000 years? silly story with the dog winning the girl. NTR bestiality dog.

[bastek66]

Originally Posted by DuelGundam2099

No, it was worse than even Dai Shogun, the only things Crapdaler did right were: surprisingly good pacing, had some action, and the ending theme. Everything else had laughably bad execution and/or laziness. I get where they were trying to go with it, but the message was so poorly handled that it was basically "hey, don't make laws pertaining to sex because we can't molest girls if you do!". *face palm* Even Dai Shogun did the action and message better.

What? That shit isn't even animated, unless you consider using power point as legitimate animation tool.

[Wandering Soul]

Another Aquarion project. Wonder how many years later this one is going to be. I also wonder who it is going to follow this time.

At least I can look forward to the Gattai sequences, action sequences, cheesy moments, and music.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by DuelGundam2099

Me. I also take it seriously, that helps make it one of the best anime of all time.

I'd agree with this statement if you were talking about Daimidaler.

Well,I didn't talk about Daimidaler there because:
1. It wasn't written by Kawamori
2. As far as silly-ecchi-comedy mecha goes, I think Daimi is decent and served its purpose quite well. It's a different mecha genre and certainly not worse than The Fool or the sinfully mediocre Dai Shogun that might as well use Power Point for its animation.

[FlareKnight]

Well whatever insanity we get, should at least get an entertaining soundtrack and visuals out of it.

I've mostly been able to blank out the Evol storyline, aside from some lingering sympathy for Zessica. So whatever we get out of this I'll just hope the plot aspect is more enjoyable.

[DuelGundam2099]

What? That shit isn't even animated, unless you consider using power point as legitimate animation tool.

Still more effort than what crapdaler offered.

certainly not worse than The Fool

I disagree, The Fool had pretty much everything going for it. It's like comparing Wall-E to The Clone Wars, The Clone Wars is superior in every way yet people go for the Pixar junk because the Oscar people like it.

[cyberdemon]

I don't know why you complain about the dog thing. The signs were all there in Sousei as well. They just didn't follow up with it at the time.

Either way I don't see this being a sequel since any issues surrounding Apollonius and Touma/Mikage have been revealed. If anything this could be the story of Apollonius/ Celiane that we have yet to see. This way it would truly finish up the story and we'll see how things ended up the way that they did.

[Arya]

OMG, seriously?

Originally Posted by Haak

If its just Kawamori and no Okada, then I probably won't bother.

Yep. Surely after her last mecha horror I-don't-remember-the- name I have lost my hopes in Okada when not involved with PAW (but when it happens she never disappoint me), but if it's about Kawamori stuff also I'd prefer having her on board. Nobunaga, ok except for Caesar and Ichi, was a disappointment and I never liked the first Aquarion.

[totoum]

Thomas Romain just tweeted this:

The new Aquarion series will be revealed during Anime Japan this month. The new mecha designs look great. The combination gimmicks too.

Also wasn't Okada a Zessica shipper and Kawamori insisted on the suffering?

#okadadidnothingwrong

[Strikefreedom117]

Originally Posted by bastek66

Fuck yeeeeeeeeeessss

my entire reaction

[Stark700]

Poster?

Spoiler:

Edit. It's titled Aquarion Logos.

Character designs: