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~Yami~ · 2014-12-06, 22:59

it would be better if Rin is actually standing outside the room during that yaoi scene

well, Issei might grant one of Shirou wish since it is very rare and Shirou has helped him a lot

Rin's question about Sakura's state is little painful though.. I think Sakura has found out about Rin being her onee-san as well but keep silent about it. I still remembered a rare scene when Rin hugged Sakura but I think it is at Fate Route adaptation. Since Sakura might not have any role in this route, I think it's better if I'm not looking forward for those sisterly scenes

Saber is also unsurprisingly very interested with Kiritsugu and Shirou interaction at the past

and lastly, Archer is becoming more and more annoying *no problem.. I still hate Shinji more than him*

GDB · 2014-12-06, 23:19

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Originally Posted by ~Yami~

I think Sakura has found out about Rin being her onee-san as well but keep silent about it.

She's always known. She was old enough to know who she was and who her family was before being adopted.

ninja_pintu · 2014-12-06, 23:29

Did Rin's skirt got shorter in the evening than in the morning of the same day or am I imagining things?

Miraluka · 2014-12-06, 23:40

Most relevant part of the episode:

Random14 · 2014-12-07, 00:18

Yeah, that was... awkward. Never expected to see Issei lose his clothes like that, but at least it confirms he's not a Master.

Loved all the Rin expressions in this episode, she sure drags Shirou off to be alone often, gotta wonder what the rumor mill is making out of that. Well, the whole "yesterday almost everyone in the school died" disaster is probably still more prevalent. Is that winter outfit new for Rin? Since in the VN she had like two regular outfits (school and casual), but still, guess it'll be a while until she moves in so haven't seen her casual outfit much in this series yet.

So Saber knows her previous Master was Shirou's father by now? My knowledge of F/SN is patchwork at best, so I know she recognized Emiya as a familiar name when summoned in this series (since this series is meant as a sequel to Fate/Zero), and other routes bring it up, but I lose track of when exactly in each route. And forget if Saber's relationship with Kiritsugu as described in the original was as bad as Fate/Zero made it out to be.

Almost everyone is questioning Shirou on his hero of justice ideal (though Saber is just curious compared to Archer's cynicism), kind of funny how much its brought up when Shirou barely spent a few minutes with Archer. Looks like next week will be another battle. Hm, wonder how much more they'll cover in a few more episodes and if this season will end mid-battle like Fate/Zero did or maybe after a defeat. Well, the more crazy Rin faces we get, the better.

The Green One · 2014-12-07, 00:22

Considering the audience that was gathering when Rin dragged Shirou off I'd say the gossip mill already has them pegged as lovers. Not to mention the "waiting for Shirou for lunch" scene from last week too.

Dengar · 2014-12-07, 04:38

Well the big reveal that Saber was Kiritsugu's servant was in Fate, so in UBW it's more of an aside note.

quigonkenny · 2014-12-07, 04:49

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Originally Posted by Random14

...(since this series is meant as a sequel to Fate/Zero)...

Actually, F/Z is a prequel to F/SN. That may not seem like much of a difference from what you said, but it really is. Now, if you mean "this particular adaptation", I guess that's partially true, as ufotable has tweaked a few things to make it better fit as a sequel, but this story was still really meant to be seen first. F/SN is, among other things, a mystery, and a lot of its secrets are told in a fairly matter-of-fact manner pretty early on in F/Z...

Random14 · 2014-12-07, 07:00

Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant, that "ufotable's adaptation of F/SN is probably intended as a sequel to their adaptation of Fate/Zero". Hence minor changes like Saber recognizing the Emiya name when Shirou introduced himself. Not that there was quite that much to go on in the original VN of course (aside from that iconic image of Saber appearing in the circle). I know the F/SN VN was the original work.

And since Fate/Zero was the prequel, and a light novel rather than game (I think?) it could reference stuff from every route, whereas every route in F/SN only covers so much. They could try adding in more things, but then that messes up details too. Which is kind of what happened to the old deen anime.

After checking what I think is the scene in Fate where Saber explained about her background, it somewhat matches up with how Fate/Zero ended, but still surprised to see Saber so... mellow after how badly the Fourth War ended for her. Well, things are somewhat better this time (Shirou's an idiot, but he's a nice one at least). But considering she still felt betrayed by Kiritsugu, her being curious about the Kiritsugu Taiga knew seems a bit off, unless she's already seen enough of Shirou's history while dreaming so was curious about how and why Kiritsugu changed so much.

Kanon · 2014-12-07, 10:22

Oh man, that blush on Issei's face and the way he covered his chest after being forcefully stripped down. Best girl right there. Archer knows it, and we all know Archer is the best.

Dengar · 2014-12-07, 12:33

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Originally Posted by Random14

Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant, that "ufotable's adaptation of F/SN is probably intended as a sequel to their adaptation of Fate/Zero". Hence minor changes like Saber recognizing the Emiya name when Shirou introduced himself. Not that there was quite that much to go on in the original VN of course (aside from that iconic image of Saber appearing in the circle). I know the F/SN VN was the original work.

And since Fate/Zero was the prequel, and a light novel rather than game (I think?) it could reference stuff from every route, whereas every route in F/SN only covers so much. They could try adding in more things, but then that messes up details too. Which is kind of what happened to the old deen anime.

After checking what I think is the scene in Fate where Saber explained about her background, it somewhat matches up with how Fate/Zero ended, but still surprised to see Saber so... mellow after how badly the Fourth War ended for her. Well, things are somewhat better this time (Shirou's an idiot, but he's a nice one at least). But considering she still felt betrayed by Kiritsugu, her being curious about the Kiritsugu Taiga knew seems a bit off, unless she's already seen enough of Shirou's history while dreaming so was curious about how and why Kiritsugu changed so much.

I strongly disagree. I don't think Ufo would exclude anyone from watching this series, even if they haven't seen F/Z.

Random14 · 2014-12-07, 16:03

Hm, not sure I'd say F/Z is required viewing for this series. Although the way things are, its better to start with the F/SN visual novel then then F/Z light novel then watch the F/Z anime and then this maybe. The deen anime isn't really recommended as a good adaptation.

I just meant that if anyone has watched Fate/Zero, there are possibly certain scenes calling back to it that they might appreciate more.

quigonkenny · 2014-12-07, 18:02

Ufotable has done a pretty good job of making it so that it's enjoyable no matter which series you see first. But by the different natures of the stories, primarily F/Z's matter-of-fact style versus F/SN's mystery style, it's still best to see F/SN first. The only F/SN mysteries that aren't spoiled over the course of F/Z are the Archer/Shirou relationship and those mysteries that only involve F/SN-only characters. Rin/Sakura, Gil, Saber's identity and past with Kiritsugu, Kirei's alignment, and to a certain degree, Illya/Shirou, are all "twists" that are spoiled by F/Z, some very early on.

Rev Okkin · 2014-12-07, 19:40

If I remember correctly, Nasu and ufotable said that Stay Night is not the sequel to Zero.
Heck, Nasu even asked to treat Zero and Stay Night to be different stories in which ufotable agreed that it would be a "different Stay Night"
Any nods to Zero would be ufotable tying the two together which would be revealed to the viewer any which way they watch, either Zero-> Stay Night or Stay Night -> Zero.

FSN (if ufotable pulls UBW and HF off in the best way possible) can be viewed by itself without having to watch FZ. FZ would just be optional. However, as soon as someone watches FZ first, they have to continue and watch FSN.

Moekou · 2014-12-07, 19:55

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Originally Posted by Random14

Y And forget if Saber's relationship with Kiritsugu as described in the original was as bad as Fate/Zero made it out to be.

VERY much so. In fact, Irisviel's character was written as she was specifically to have a way to communicate between Kiritsugu and Saber, as they didn't want to contradict Saber saying that Kiritsugu only ever spoke to her three times in the entire war.

Dengar · 2014-12-08, 03:49

She isn't even really the go-between between Kiritsugu and Saber. Bar the one occasion where she tries to mediate, she's really just there to give Saber someone to talk to, period.

Cloudedmind · 2014-12-08, 10:35

Poor Issei, Shirou needs to learn how to treat a man better, the least he could have done was taken him out to eat before asking to see his goods.

GDB · 2014-12-08, 11:51

He was already eating. Shirou interrupted him.

Cloudedmind · 2014-12-08, 13:01

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Originally Posted by GDB

He was already eating. Shirou interrupted him.

I know, but there's always dinner.

Rev Okkin · 2014-12-10, 10:22

Ok it has been bugging me for a while, but anyone noticed the key illustrator/art director is different for this episode?
Like Saber seems to have a real different make up of her face, Shirou has some sameface syndrome with her at times, but the rest look fairly consistent with the previous episodes. Well this complaint was only for the beginning portion since it went back to standard after the talk in the forest with Archer but still.

Anyhow, great episode as always. Comedy was welldone, the music is stepping up and while great, some shots and transitions make me want the BD now...

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~Yami~ a random Indonesian otaku Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Xanadu Age: 32	it would be better if Rin is actually standing outside the room during that yaoi scene well, Issei might grant one of Shirou wish since it is very rare and Shirou has helped him a lot Rin's question about Sakura's state is little painful though.. I think Sakura has found out about Rin being her onee-san as well but keep silent about it. I still remembered a rare scene when Rin hugged Sakura but I think it is at Fate Route adaptation. Since Sakura might not have any role in this route, I think it's better if I'm not looking forward for those sisterly scenes Saber is also unsurprisingly very interested with Kiritsugu and Shirou interaction at the past and lastly, Archer is becoming more and more annoying no problem.. I still hate Shinji more than him

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Miraluka Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 34	Most relevant part of the episode:

2014-12-07, 00:18	Link #25
Random14 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014	Yeah, that was... awkward. Never expected to see Issei lose his clothes like that, but at least it confirms he's not a Master. Loved all the Rin expressions in this episode, she sure drags Shirou off to be alone often, gotta wonder what the rumor mill is making out of that. Well, the whole "yesterday almost everyone in the school died" disaster is probably still more prevalent. Is that winter outfit new for Rin? Since in the VN she had like two regular outfits (school and casual), but still, guess it'll be a while until she moves in so haven't seen her casual outfit much in this series yet. So Saber knows her previous Master was Shirou's father by now? My knowledge of F/SN is patchwork at best, so I know she recognized Emiya as a familiar name when summoned in this series (since this series is meant as a sequel to Fate/Zero), and other routes bring it up, but I lose track of when exactly in each route. And forget if Saber's relationship with Kiritsugu as described in the original was as bad as Fate/Zero made it out to be. Almost everyone is questioning Shirou on his hero of justice ideal (though Saber is just curious compared to Archer's cynicism), kind of funny how much its brought up when Shirou barely spent a few minutes with Archer. Looks like next week will be another battle. Hm, wonder how much more they'll cover in a few more episodes and if this season will end mid-battle like Fate/Zero did or maybe after a defeat. Well, the more crazy Rin faces we get, the better.

2014-12-07, 00:22	Link #26
The Green One Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010	Considering the audience that was gathering when Rin dragged Shirou off I'd say the gossip mill already has them pegged as lovers. Not to mention the "waiting for Shirou for lunch" scene from last week too.

2014-12-07, 04:38	Link #27
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	Well the big reveal that Saber was Kiritsugu's servant was in Fate, so in UBW it's more of an aside note.

2014-12-07, 07:00	Link #29
Random14 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014	Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant, that "ufotable's adaptation of F/SN is probably intended as a sequel to their adaptation of Fate/Zero". Hence minor changes like Saber recognizing the Emiya name when Shirou introduced himself. Not that there was quite that much to go on in the original VN of course (aside from that iconic image of Saber appearing in the circle). I know the F/SN VN was the original work. And since Fate/Zero was the prequel, and a light novel rather than game (I think?) it could reference stuff from every route, whereas every route in F/SN only covers so much. They could try adding in more things, but then that messes up details too. Which is kind of what happened to the old deen anime. After checking what I think is the scene in Fate where Saber explained about her background, it somewhat matches up with how Fate/Zero ended, but still surprised to see Saber so... mellow after how badly the Fourth War ended for her. Well, things are somewhat better this time (Shirou's an idiot, but he's a nice one at least). But considering she still felt betrayed by Kiritsugu, her being curious about the Kiritsugu Taiga knew seems a bit off, unless she's already seen enough of Shirou's history while dreaming so was curious about how and why Kiritsugu changed so much.

2014-12-07, 16:03	Link #32
Random14 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014	Hm, not sure I'd say F/Z is required viewing for this series. Although the way things are, its better to start with the F/SN visual novel then then F/Z light novel then watch the F/Z anime and then this maybe. The deen anime isn't really recommended as a good adaptation. I just meant that if anyone has watched Fate/Zero, there are possibly certain scenes calling back to it that they might appreciate more.

2014-12-08, 03:49	Link #36
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	She isn't even really the go-between between Kiritsugu and Saber. Bar the one occasion where she tries to mediate, she's really just there to give Saber someone to talk to, period.

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Cloudedmind Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: California Age: 38	Poor Issei, Shirou needs to learn how to treat a man better, the least he could have done was taken him out to eat before asking to see his goods. __________________

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GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	He was already eating. Shirou interrupted him.

2014-12-10, 10:22	Link #40
Rev Okkin Yorokobe, (Insert name) Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Auckland, New Zealand	Ok it has been bugging me for a while, but anyone noticed the key illustrator/art director is different for this episode? Like Saber seems to have a real different make up of her face, Shirou has some sameface syndrome with her at times, but the rest look fairly consistent with the previous episodes. Well this complaint was only for the beginning portion since it went back to standard after the talk in the forest with Archer but still. Anyhow, great episode as always. Comedy was welldone, the music is stepping up and while great, some shots and transitions make me want the BD now... __________________ Random Thoughts: I will only judge anime by its BD version. #nostupidcensors #nostupidmissingscenes #betteranimation #betterediting